Yes it is very good isn't it r0bert. Fancy someone talking about consent in a balanced fashion and giving responsibility to men and women alike and avoiding stereotypes.

I especially like how she rejected feminist claims of misogyny and pack mentality of men and predator/victim stereotypes in regards to rape, in favour of more nuanced explanations to do with personal/individual maturity and general human abuse of power. Even, shock horror, the existence of the concept of female abuse of power and the concept of women using men for sex and men not enjoying this.

Her other article was quite good also...

http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=3094

dealing with the notions of consent based on age and sexual orientation and gender.

Kind of a change from the lock up your daughters crowd here who give women the responsibility for male desire and feminism's 'men are misogynists/rapists/predators' stuff where there are no grey areas and men hold all the responsibility for sex (especially when alcohol is involved)

In NSW the Police and Police Minister are going on lately about victims of 'statutory rape' being possibly charged as accessories to the crime. I would presume this is in the event of a 15 year old girl telling a 16 year old boy that she is 16 or older, and the two of them having sex. As she is 15 she is, under the law, incapable of giving informed consent, and the 16 year old is possibly guilty of a crime.

I say possibly because there are many twists and turns to the law.

However whilest a law may have been broken what law is that?

To my understanding the term 'rape' was removed from the NSW 'penal code' some years ago and replaced with terms such as 'sexual assault' and 'aggravated sexual assault' and 'sexual penetration of a minor'.

A page from the ANU makes this clear: http://law.anu.edu.au/criminet/trape.html

So, if there is no such crime in NSW as 'rape' what on earth are the police and the minister doing talking about 'statutory rape', which was never a crime in NSW, whilst 'carnal knowledge of a minor, was?

To me it sounds like they have been watching too many American television shows. (policy via L&O SVU anyone?)

Of course the NSW authorities have come out and said that no victim of statutory rape will be charged in NSW, which is just as well, as there is no such crime here.

On the other hand, what will they do if they find someone with photos of a naked 15 year old in a sexual context on their computer, and then find that it was a 15 year old who sent it?

Charge both, with with creation of child pornography and the other with possession? Seems only appropriate.

I have seen, and reported to the site owners on an art site, such activity, against that site's rules, so that it would be removed. Just don't go telling me that 14 and 15 year old girls don't post highly inappropriate photos of themselves on line.

My life would probably have been somewhat different, if I had not had those eye opening experiences. It certainly taught me some new ways to treat a "lady" [Hasbeen]

A generalisation Hasbeen and indicative of the fact that many males do not comprehend that a teenager or young person's brain and development varies in maturity and sensibilities well up until they are 21, 22, 23 years of age. Secondly, alcohol plays a large part in the 'fact' that egotistical and/or males cast in the limelight are known to take full advantage of young girls [still growing up and vulnerable emotionally] once they have been supplied alcohol/grog.

Statistically a high percentage of rapes are committed during a young girl's first or second alcoholic drink, usually premeditated and supplied by the perpetrator[s].

The male psyche is entirely different in their way of thinking to the female psyche who are in their 'teens' growing and developing emotionally, particularly males congregating in groups to prop one another up or belonging to a football team.

Older and sober males know damn well that these girls are young in their minds and take full advantage of that fact as per the disgraceful acts set up/premeditated and carried out by older football players in Sydney 18 months ago. Every one of them should have been charged and sent to gaol.

Ladies? What age group are you referring to Hasbeen? There are plenty of girls taken advantage of that were and still are 'ladies'.

Dougthebear - "In NSW the Police and Police Minister are going on lately about victims of 'statutory rape' being possibly charged as accessories to the crime. I would presume this is in the event of a 15 year old girl telling a 16 year old boy that she is 16 or older, and the two of them having sex. As she is 15 she is, under the law, incapable of giving informed consent, and the 16 year old is possibly guilty of a crime"

I suggest all females you should have their date of birth tattoo'd on their foreheard in about size 30 font, shortly after birth.

Houellebecq that was another great article. Looking back I'm trying to remember what I disagreed with at the time (I was around for that article and posted a comment).

Thanks for the reminder.

R0bert

Unique, perhaps you did not notice the mention that it was who the ladies were, as much as the behaviour that surprised me. These were not kids.

It was the "exuberance" of well respected wives & mothers from the more privileged end of town that was a real eye opener. They did not appear to think there could be any unpleasant consequences of their romp, despite the presence of a couple of wide eyed school boys.