LOUDMOUTH (Joe) <that really is getting close to profiling, as labelling all men as probable, not just potential rapists, as if one guy getting charged and jailed is just the same as any other - a sort of collective punishment.>

It was not my intention to condemn the men who were wrongly imprisoned I think it must be a living nightmare to go to prison for something you never did, especially if you had to spend 20 or more years in jail.

I was responding to James H. who seemed to be blaming “women who cry wolf” for somehow being to blame for the men who were found innocent of commiting rape in America recently due to DNA. I was merely trying to say to James that he failed to mention the men who committed the rapes and were the ones who caused the whole sorry mess in the first place. Note that none of them ever came forward to take the place of these poor men in prison.

I noted that there have been at least four different rape cases reported in my newspaper in my hometown here in Queensland this week and barely a week or a month goes by where there isn’t a rape case or an incest case and it’s been that way in the newspapers ever since I can first remember reading them and that’s quite a few decades now. I’ll bet those stories are repeated in newspapers all over the country every month.

There have been a few really high profile horrific ones where murders were involved, going back here over the years, a couple of the worst involving young children.

I picked up an out of date magazine while waiting somewhere recently and it had the story of a woman who is now a high profile lawyer in America and has recently been involved in defending people in a high profile sex sporting divorce scandal over there.

She said as a young woman she went out on a date with a doctor one evening and after their date he took her to the hospital to see his patients before taking her home and suddenly pulling out a gun when they went inside and raping her. She said she knew it was no use going to court because who would believe that this caring doctor who had taken her see his patients would have raped her afterwards. She did however go on to become one of the highest paid lawyers in America today, who particularly defends women. This man has cunningly set this up to do his rounds like a caring doctor and then commit this assault and I wonder how many times he got away with it. You read these sorts of things all the time, men probably don’t because they wouldn’t be interested in reading women’s stories in women’s magazines.

Then as I said there are quite a few private stories I know of too that have been kept quiet as well. You go figure how much of this is going on.

I too, have a story about a doctor and patient, except this time it was a female doctor and male patient.

It sounded almost so unreal to be unbelievable.

The doctor in your story sounds as if he may be a psychopath.

I believe that it is best to be sceptical until more evidence is made available. This is such a highly emotive subject and it is easy to get caught up in it, whilst suspending rational and logical inquiry.

Recently a man was murdered because is was erroneously believed that he was a child abuser, and a few years ago man was bashed and killed in a park after he was accused of being a rapist, he was gay.

<The findings of a US study offer the best explanation yet for a paradox that has baffled psychologists since sex surveys began in the 1960s.

Heterosexual men routinely report they have slept with more partners than do women. These figures, however, are statistically impossible - the average for both genders should be about the same.>
http://www.angryharry.com/reWomenFakeSexNumbers.htm

There was the recent Duke Lacrosse playerss who were accused of rape, and another less high profile case where the males involved were partaking in a group sex activity, and were later accused of rape. fortunately for them, one of them recorded the activity on a mobile phone and it was consensual activity.

There is no doubt in my mind, that there are people who are definitely guilty of committing a crime, are found to be innocent.

You wrote about the stories in women's magazines, Myrna Blythe wrote about how the editors of womens magazine sell unhappiness and misery.

Secondly I had it bought home to me one day, when a story I knew the actual details too, was published in the papers. Apart from the names and what happened, it was a totally different story to what actually transpired.

So a fair amount of artistic licence was applied, it occurs daily basis, in magazines, current affairs, or newspapers.

Cherful, it was I rather than James H who posted re the stripper.

And I did not say that a man was not guilty in cases where a woman has either withdrawn consent or where consent was assumed by the male when it was never actually given by the female. I also recognise that consent can be conditional, for instance, the woman consenting to sex as a commercial act, or on the condition that the male use a condom.

My point was that a jury was somehow managed to be convinced that either the male consented to being penetrated (which seems to be one part of the defence - ie, he was on stage, on his hands and knees with a stripper behind him equipeped with a device for just that purpose) or that she didn't really intend to do to him what everyone now accepts happenned.

Now I can relate to 'accidental contact'. Nearly ever man can give examples of where he has accidently brushed up against a woman's breast with his arm, even when such contact is sought to be avoided. But claiming accidental pentration in this case does seem to be going too far.

And I am sure that no male would get away with that. (excepting, of course, Julian Assange seems to be making a good case to justify illegal behaviour, ie, acting outside the conditional consent that he received in Sweden).

The stripper must have had good counsel, and as we all know an accused's previous history and character cannot be raised in front of a jury by the Crown.

This thread is titled 'Women Who Cry Wolf'. My point is actually that not all women cry wolf, and that many who don't cry out at all can look at the stripper case for an example of 'why bother putting myself through that humiliation'.

I should add, people should not automatically be believed or disbelieved.

Not every one is a liar, and not every one tells the truth.

Even if someone is telling the truth, they may leave out some details.

Cherful says “I noted that there have been at least four different rape cases reported in my newspaper in my hometown here in Queensland this week and barely a week or a month goes by where there isn’t a rape case or an incest case and it’s been that way in the newspapers ever since I can first remember reading them and that’s quite a few decades now. I’ll bet those stories are repeated in newspapers all over the country every month.”

Cherful, the big flaw in your argument is your thinking that one rape case = one incidence of rape or one incest case = one incidence of incest, unless the case is one in which there has been a conviction. In the very large town in which I live, from the official statistic that I’ve seen, there would hardly be more than one or two rape convictions in a whole year. Perhaps where you live Cherful, the males there are raised by hopeless single mothers who hit the bottle and are living on welfare and out of other peoples’ pockets, to have no respect for women.