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Palestine: Jew haters - like Koran burners - cannot be condoned : Comments

By David Singer, published 17/9/2010

The inability of the Arabs to accept a Jewish State in the midst of 21 Islamic Arab states is at the heart of resolving the Arab-Jewish conflict.

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To mikk

I think Yuyutsu has eloquently answered your queries on "who is a Jew". Your questions - and gaazaboy's - indicate how little you understand about Jews. Maybe that is why you both are so prejudiced.

Perhaps you can get a copy of the book "The course of modern Jewish history" by Howard Morley Sachar. This will help to give you a better understanding of who the Jews are.

You sure have a lot of reading to do.
Posted by david singer, Monday, 20 September 2010 8:16:07 PM
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To Yuyutsu

Resolution 242 requires Israel to withdraw to secure and recognized boundaries - not from 100% of the West Bank.

There were no borders in 1967 between Jordan and Israel - only armistice lines.

Secure and recognized boundaries between Jordan and Israel will involve division of sovereignty in the West Bank.

500000 Jews now living in the West Bank since 1967 are not going to pack up and go. Their right to live there is enshrined in Article 6 of the Mandate for Palestine and article 80 of the UN Charter - rights the Jews exercised until driven out by Jordan in 1948.

Once the boundaries are negotiated and settled the majority of West Bank Arabs will automatically once again become Jordanian citizens as they were from 1950 -1988. They then respected their King with the notable exception of Black September in 1970 when Arafat tried to overthrow the King and got booted out. If some of them still wish to continue this struggle they can expect similar retribution from the current King.

You conclude:

"I personally don't mind whether Palestinians are Jordanians or not: once they lay down their terrorism, they should get back their territories, in full. Whether they subsequently share it with Jordan or not is none of Israel's business."

Yuyutsu - you still fail to understand

1. The territories presently belong to no one - either Palestinian Arabs,Jordanian Arabs or Jews.

2. The two sovereign states to have continuously occupied the West Bank for the last 62 years are Jordan (1948-1967) and Israel (1967-2010). These two states are currently the sovereign rulers of 94% of the Mandate territory of Palestine - Jordan (77%) and Israel (17%). The West Bank and Gaza make up the remaining 6%.

3. The Palestinian Arabs have blown a unique opportunity to acquire the major part of that remaining 6% - with Jordan's acquiescence - after 17 years of fruitless negotiations.

4. Its time to invite the Jordanians to negotiate to restore as far as possible the status quo that existed in 1967 at the outbreak of the Six Day War.
Posted by david singer, Monday, 20 September 2010 9:19:21 PM
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David G.,

"the Palestinians haven't moved on because..."

At least in Lebanon, it is because they are not allowed to move on.
In other countries, some have in fact moved on.

It seems that revenge is of more importance to you than the well-being of those Palestinians you claim to speak for.

David Singer,

We've been there before and I'm not going to waste again my time and 350 words on petty legalistic details. Suffice that if you own something, you have the full right to gift it to others: if you cannot, then you don't really own it. Even if unsure whether something belongs to you or not, you always maintain the right to renounce it (which Jordan wisely did!).

While not admitting that the applicable law actually gives Israel any rights over the West-Bank, the idea that one must seek every legal avenue to the technical letter of the law in order to maximize their territory, is sickening. The 1967 war was catastrophic for Israel, internally, morally, it poisoned it from within. It is in Israel's best interest to reverse and undo the effects of that miserable war.
Sadly but understandably, Israel has to wait until security-conditons allow it to get rid of the west-bank, but once conditions allow, it should withdraw from its last centimeter. Should there be a friendly border with Jordan, then the security issue is solved, so 100% should be returned.

Should we all shed crocodile tears for those 500000?
They all knew from the start what they enter into, they all knew that Israel will not be there forever. Half of them are hard-core criminals and dangerous Messianic fanatics, while the other half comprises of ordinary Israelis with housing problems whom the Israeli government used their poverty to lure into those territories.
The poor ones should receive financial compensation and will very happily pack and move back to their own country, while the criminals ought to be punished, although perhaps they may be allowed to stay where they are as Palestinian or Jordanian subjects: in retrospect, perhaps Israel would do better without them!
Posted by Yuyutsu, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 7:41:35 AM
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davidg, you're becoming hysterical, you need to take a break from these sites.

When people disagree with you, or have a different opinion, you seem to then start extrapolating your feelings onto them.

I didn't say "might is right", you did, I said, when the incumbent is too powerful, then move on - I didn't say Israel is right in what they do, I have no opinion on that .. please take a look at my posts - you have invented my "opinion".

yuyutsu has you nailed - this is all about revenge for you.

If you could drive the Israelis into the sea would you? Yes of course, "might is right" .. yes?

"Of course, people like you hold that view when they are part of the 'might' side of the equation. I know you would squeal like a stuck pig if someone or some nation came along and, being stronger, took everything you had and threw you out into the street"

no, you're wrong, again you reflect your own anger in your assumptions of what other people think.

I'd move on, if the enemy is so powerful as to do that, I'd move on, I wouldn't be happy, but then again I'm probably more pragmatic about what life is about - it's not about pain and misery, it's about quality of life.

Your support of the Palestinians seems to depend on them being as angry as you are, what happens if they suddenly come to a peace agreement with Israel?

Will you still be angry, still want revenge, all on your own? I suspect you would. So that's it for me, you can't have a conversation with someone who flames you and ramps up the anger because of a differing opinion, (get help davidg).
Posted by Amicus, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 8:58:30 AM
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The singer says to Mikk: 'Perhaps you can get a copy of the book "The course of modern Jewish history" by Howard Morley Sachar. This will help to give you a better understanding of who the Jews are.'

There's no need to plow through a heap of self-serving Judeo-babble. Just speak to any Palestinian who has existed under the boot-heel of the Israeli Jews.

They'll tell you everything you need to know about Israeli Jews but you'll need to have a few hours because the story of Palestinian suffering and deprivation at the hands of their brutal, cruel occupiers is long and tragic!

"By their works ye shall know them!"
Posted by David G, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 11:53:26 AM
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To Amicus

David G is an open and avowed Jew hater. He is entitled to his view and the best response is to bring him out of the closet and let his foul bile and vitriol be exposed.

To Yuyutsu

You state:

"Should we all shed crocodile tears for those 500000?
They all knew from the start what they enter into, they all knew that Israel will not be there forever. Half of them are hard-core criminals and dangerous Messianic fanatics, while the other half comprises of ordinary Israelis with housing problems whom the Israeli government used their poverty to lure into those territories.
The poor ones should receive financial compensation and will very happily pack and move back to their own country, while the criminals ought to be punished, although perhaps they may be allowed to stay where they are as Palestinian or Jordanian subjects: in retrospect, perhaps Israel would do better without them!"

You have blotted your copybook.You are starting to sound like David G and mikk in making wild and unsubstantiated statements without any evidence to back your assertions.

Perhaps you can refer me to the source which enables you to make the above comment. Or are you just letting your imagination get the better of you?
Posted by david singer, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 2:52:26 PM
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