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Whose rights are they anyway? The children's? : Comments

By Bill Muehlenberg, published 3/9/2010

Same s*x adoption. Are children just guinea pigs in this radical social experiment?

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Bayne McGregor:

Nothing “veiled” about what I am saying at all. Values of decency live in tandem with values of honesty. My satire was aimed at the puerile arguments so often presented to prove the legitimacy of the putrid.

The “hysteron proteron” or “fate accompli” stance of the homosexual argument itself defies honesty with its borrowed tactics from the “unrestrained sex” set mentioned in my post, namely the legalised prostitution campaign that tore up established rule books and left society floundering in another layer of scum.

Why should decent law abiding and morally engaged citizens in our society, living normal, healthy and contributing lifestyles with moral values based on the norms of society, watch-on in muted wonderment, while those same expectations are subsumed by the opposing values of a strange minority, wreaking social and moral havoc?

Just maybe Bayne McGregor, this is the time in your life to adjust to your own lies.
Posted by diver dan, Monday, 6 September 2010 2:01:36 PM
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It has been studied that people with extreme homophobia, have latent homosexual tendencies themselves!
Posted by Kipp, Monday, 6 September 2010 3:38:59 PM
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A few years ago I was leading a tutorial for first year ethics students. There were two young men who identified as Christians.

The discussion turned to IVF. Both these young men declared that from their Christian perspective, IVF was an abomination, and IVF children weren't like "real children."

One of the students' assignments was a journal they had to keep throughout the semester on their thoughts and feelings about the course and ways in which it had affected their thinking and attitudes. I was marking the journal of a young woman who had always been quite reticent in tutorials. Her journal revealed that she was an IVF child. To hear herself describe as an abomination and not real, caused her heart break and anguish. She almost left the university, but because she had courage she stuck the semester out, and kept silent, in the company of these two bigots.

The point of this little story is that every time you denigrate and abuse gay couples who are fostering children you are denigrating and abusing and marginalising those children. Every time you refuse adoption rights to gay couples, you are also marginalising and abusing those children.

Why should anybody give a toss about your miserable psychopathological animosity towards same sex couples, when there are far more important things to think about such as what your unaccepting attitudes will do to the children. Not because they're adopted by gays, but because you people can't cope with them being fostered by gays for your own unexamined and probably deeply unconscious repressed and denied reasons.

YOU people are the problem and YOU people are causing the problems for the children. Not their gay parents.

Mother of god. What century am I in?
Posted by briar rose, Monday, 6 September 2010 4:52:03 PM
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Briar Rose, I don't know which century you're in! Sorry.

All I know is that, reading all these comments, it seems that I have been wrong about homosexuality all these years. It seems that most of the animals, birds, monkeys, etc, are homosexual.

It seems that all this time I have been in a minority and didn't know it. Silly me. I should sue my parents who told me having sex with other men was wrong but I can't because they are both dead.

I wonder how long it will be before we read about studies that show homosexuals make better parents than those involved in heterosexual relationships. Then next cab off the rank will be fathers who commit incest with their children. Studies will show that their children are more sexually secure, more liberated.

And then come the pedophiles and the transvestites...

Stop the world. I want to get off!

P.S. Just one question. If most creatures are inclined towards homosexuality, how come most forms of life are still progressing along the evolutionary track? Two males plus two females don't make four, I'm afraid.

Some of the extravagant claims made on this thread are obviously untrue.
Posted by David G, Monday, 6 September 2010 5:25:17 PM
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CJ Morgan:>> Reinforcing discriminatory structures is no way to deal with them. Following your logic, we wouldn't have Indigenous or migrant children in our schools, not to mention disabled kids. Think about it.<<

CJ you are of course right in what you say, but IMO it does not transfer in this instance. The perception of homosexuality will always remain as alien while we procreate in the manner we do. I do not think that way nor do you, but the overwhelming majority of society does. When we all come from test tubes and gestation cribs then there may be a chance that mankind places no bias on sexuality.

Until then the child must explain their situation every time their family is discussed for the first time and every time another kid visits. I know there will be unbiased exceptions to this but the percentage is the same as those who accept sexuality implies nothing, very small.

Consider your formative years and your peers. Kids who had acne, soft natured kids, ugly kids, red headed kids, weak kids, all these young characters were formed with these "huge" psychological burdens to carry. As adults we know it is a passing phase but kids suicide over these things everyday and we sit back and try to understand how they could put such value in things that we know will pass. As adults we can isolate ourselves from our peers, but school kids go to the psychological stomping grounds every day, then they socialise in it and some take their lives because of it.

The percentage of homosexuals will not change SO they will always carry the stigma of minority and alien in our society and the kids will be taunted and identified as the kid with the homosexual parents Sad and wrong but a fact and I would not give up one child for a social experiment and an adults social self gratification.

CJ we will have to agree to disagree on this one.
Posted by sonofgloin, Monday, 6 September 2010 5:48:34 PM
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One thing that is said over and over again in these posts is that there's something unnatural about homosexuality because we procreate heterosexually. I can't see what one thing has to do with the other.

Such a bizarre statement has to be based on the even more bizarre premise that sexual love is for procreation only.

All those times you do it and don't make a baby, what are they about? Are they perversions?

Is masturbation a perversion as well?
No, please nobody answer that. It's rhetorical.
Posted by briar rose, Monday, 6 September 2010 6:36:42 PM
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