Bach, any chance of a comment from your sponsor Bill Muelenburg, or does he only make sweeping statements, and avoids debate!

Bayne Macgregor, thanks for your thoughts and I agree with what you say, but as I said previously I do not believe this prejudice can be overcome given my experience of human nature always coming down to the base common denominator when choosing to exclude or deprive others. I do not like the idea of kids being targets for hatred. Sort out society, and then introduce gay adoption not the other way around.

"What's between your legs is part of who you are and what your role is in society." - bach

Sorry, I don't follow. Just how, exactly (preferably with diagrams), does one's anatomy determine the content of one's character? 'Coz I'm having a bit of trouble understanding the nexus 'twixt my physical form and my soul.

Bach, the difference is that the church covered up crimes they should have reported. The church moved priests around to other areas allowing them to abuse again. That makes the church an accessory to the crime. I don't condemn every Catholic or every priest, but there is guilt there in the policy of protection. Anyone who keeps secret child abuse and helps a child abuser escape justice is a criminal and partly responsible for the child abuse that otherwise could have been stopped if the abuser was turned into the police imediately and properly investigated. To try and escape the shame of having some pedophiles in their ranks church officials became guilty of contributing to child abuse and deserving the shame that has been heaped upon them. Only when it became public knowledge has the church changed its policies of protection.

Songofgloin, we both care about the kids and the prejudice. Thing is that there are gay kids at school and foster kids and biological kids and IVF kids of gay parents at school already. And these kids are harmed by the current adoption laws. Surely for their sake, and they will be the vast vast majority of those adopted, the laws should change? If more kids will be adopted by the same-sex couple looking after them already than not then surely the suffering Vs reduction of suffering measure should result in a conclusion in favour of this legislation?

Also change comes from people seeing and meeting and knowing personally people who are different. That's how prejudice is overcome. Having kids of gay parents taking the kid to school and picking them up at the end of the day and attending the PTA meetings could be whats needed to undo the prejudice. How else can we fix society than by having people being part of society?