Sonofgloin - Thank you for replying so fully to my question.

I was really interested in your reply, it must have been fascinating to live through such huge and controversial changes in the life of the city.

I don't agree with your conclusion, though, that we shouldn't allow gay adoption because the children involved will always be singled out for prejudice.

The majority of such children are already in foster care relationships with gay couples, and so are already and will continue to have to deal with what is thrown at them in the playground. Adopting them will give them a legal security equal to that of other children, and this has to be better for them. The same applies to children in situations where one partner is the biological parent.

I don't want children to have to suffer either, but I deeply feel that this suffering is caused not by them having gay parents, but by the bigotry of people who will not accept gays as parents. These people are not thinking of the children involved, they are thinking of their own prejudices. I don't think that colluding with those prejudices by preventing gay adoption is going to help the children.

I don't think much would have been achieved in the world if we'd been intimidated by bullying bigots.

I'm not sure what you mean by saying there's "a finite number of homosexuals wanting to adopt." There may always be a smaller number of gays wanting to adopt, but finite?

Again, thank you for that glimpse into the transformation of Taylor Square and surrounds. Maybe you should write about it, because a lot of people would be interested.

briar rose, given we come to a differing pov, and I have no argument about the moral legitimacy of gay adoption but RATHER the impact from society on TO the child, hopefully we will agree to disagree as I did with CJ.

No worries, Sonofgloin. Agree to disagree.

lol.. no i just wanted to get a better sense of where you stood on such obvious degenerate social behavious and if you had any moral conviction and the depth of which.

Being one eyed (or conservative) about the idea of of partner swapping is something I take as a compliment so thank you. I must admit that I am a little concerned that youre a parent tho and seem to like the idea of swingers clubs.

To all the individuals who were shocked by my statements concerning the link between love, sex and procreation I would just like to ask you to read John Paul II's 'Theology of the Body'.

Bach, the thoughts of JP2 are indeed important to some catholics, only some catholics and are virtually irrelevant to the rest of humanity. Many catholics still feel V2 a betrayel of catholicism, others found JP2's views on many issues the equivalent of the treatment of Copernicus and Gallileo. I've seen Catholics treating Intersex people as sinners and a threat to humanity because of the potential impact on body theology when Jesus himself in Mathew made clear that Intersex people are made that way by God Mathew 19:12 "For some are eunuchs because they were born that way" and the bible also has God saying that Eunachs will have a special place in the house of God!

The scientific evidence, which must be considered the direct observation of the literal word and acts of god, shows that the brains of Transgender and many Gay people are neurologicaly Intersex! Body Theology needs to take this into account or it is arguing against God! Now you might find interesting the arguments of Translators who find fault with the translation of the word Paul used that is said to mean Gay when they say it meant Male Prostitute not Gay! Totally changing Biblical New Testament views on homosexuality and putting Gays along with pig-meat and shellfish and cotton blend clothing into Christian Acceptability! Heck Eunuch in biblical times also was used for crossdressers and homosexuals! Not just castrated slaves and Intersex people!

But above all remember that most of the world is not Catholic and not Christian but a multi-faith nation with religious liberty. The bible itself says "vex not a stranger nor oppress him for you were strangers in the land of egypt" and "do unto others as you would have them do unto you". So Bach do you oppose the bible? Do you oppose the direct word of God written in his creation in genes and blood and nerves and XXY chromasomes and Androgen Insensitivity? Do you think that Catholics should be forbidden to adopt?

And it can start with dealling with the reality of Intersex people "born that way".