CJMorgan, homophobic is being tossed around like anti-Semitic is. It is a term that is used to denigrate anyone who dares to question the lifestyles of gays and lesbians.

My interest is not in gays and lesbians but in the children they want to involve themselves with because they think that having children legitimizes them and their unnatural relationships in the eyes of society. It is a totally irrational concept.

Let gays cavort together, live together, do what they want, who cares? Certainly not me.

But why can't they leave kids out of it, let them have a real Mum and a Dad like most kids have?

News headline:
Homosexuality among Penguins identified.
On the strength of reliable research amongst experts on the sexual behaviour of penguins, Australian parliament passed a bill in the house of representatives in Canberra today allowing Homosexuals the same rights to adoption and marriage as heterosexuals in Australia.
In an exclusive interview outside parliament today, Mr Blogs , a leading gay rights activist claimed the win as a great achievement and another step towards equal rights for gay and lesbians in our community, and he supported scientific research into the sexual habits of the animal kingdom and its equation of legitimacy to human behaviour outside current acceptable limits set by society at present.

Mr Blogs suggested dogs as the next example that the lobby may investigate as helpful in achieving further aims of the homosexual lobby. He noted dog breeders have long been aware of the benefits of mating bitches with their sons and fathers in order to
identify “inbreeding coefficients” to better enforce predispositions of prodigy. But he was quick to point out that research had not yet explained why the male canine often exhibited a desire to mate with human legs (usually in public), and suggested this annoying trend to be a negative in their argument for equality at the moment.

David, it's not just birds, gay sex and gay relationships are found in a huge amount of the animal world including the Bonobo which is geneticly almost the same as a human being, and amongst the Bonobos there's lots of gay sex. Maybe you didn't realise sex is naturally for more than procreation? Your appear mightily misinformed about nature and biology!

How can gay sex be unnatural when its found aplenty in nature? When one of the animals most close to humans has especially high levels of homosexuality?

You don't know enough about nature to base your argument on it. Go watch some nature documentaries about Bonobos and let me know what you discover about nature.

And then there's Australias Indiginous Same-Sex and Transgender Traditions, those of our neighbours in Polynesia,
Southern Asia, Central Asia, Mesopotamia, Africa, Europe, South and North America... From the Sistagirls of the Tiwi Islands of Australia to the Fa'afafine of Samoa to the Two-spirits of North America to Classical Greece and the Scythian Tribes, the Shamanic traditions of Northern Europe and Siberia.. in nearly every culture on earth through most of human history there was positive Gay and Transgender Traditions. Alexander the Great who conquered much of the world is believed to have been bisexual. It was mainly British Colonial Law that spread anti-gay laws and attitudes over much of the world and thats very recent times indeed.

Oh and with about 10% (and quite likely much more) of children being Gay Lesbian Bisexual Transgender and/or Intersex don't those kids logicly need good role models who are Gay Lesbian Bisexual Transgender and/or Intersex? How can hetero cisgender parents be good role models to Gay and/or Transgender children? What about the rights of those children? By your reasoning we should take those kids away from straight parents! Take 10% of all children from their parents? Really? Or maybe any loving caring responsible parent/s can raise kids of any sort Gay or Hetero, Transgender or Cisgender.

Biology, History, Logic.

David G, homosexuality is as 'natural' to homosexuals as heterosexuality is 'natural' to you and me. That's the way they 'naturally' are. It's not a 'lifestyle choice', nor is homosexuality immoral, nefarious, disgusting or an abomination.

People who think that way about homosexuals are by definition homophobic, and I'm suggesting that is also the basis for your objection to gay people adopting kids.

Gay sex is neither natural nor beneficial. Irrespective on whether people or animals enjoy it still isn't part of the natural procreation process.

Instead of looking at this from a selfish "this is what we want and it's our right to claim it" point of view, let's look at it from a societal pint of view:
• First of all, gays cannot have a child together, as such they can never and will never BOTH be the child's natural parents. God didn't make it that way.
STRIKE 1

• There is a massively overwhelming number of studies that show that the best environment for children is with a mum and a dad.
STRIKE 2

• Adoption agencies have plenty of heterosexual parents to choose from when placing children so there is no need to favour a gay parental situation - claiming that they 'pick the best parents' and then favour gay couples is just total disregard for the reality of the long-term needs of a child in favour of an ideological point - there are a many more heterosexual parent to choose from and the likelihood of finding better situations is in favour of hetereosexual parents.
STRIKE 3

So in the interests of children (BEST for the child, not gay activism) we should be
(a) placing adoptable children with heterosexual parents which is, hands down, the BEST for the child.
(b) acknowledging the RIGHT of every child to have a mum and a dad by only allowing hetereosexual parents to have children

hahhahhaha.. Bayne MacGregor are you trying to legitimise homosexuality because a minute number penguins apparently have homosexual tendencies? I had a dog that had sex with my basketball... doesn't make it right buddy