I'm with you billthkid.

We have this enormous women's industry costing us millions of dollars a year to skew society against men. There are only two genders: if you discriminate for one you by definition discriminate against the other. Feminism and women's groups have systematically attacked anything that they perceive as a threat to female power.

They will never stop. Girls have long outperformed boys at uni and at school. Women live longer, healthier lives and work less than men. They do better by practically all reliable social indicators (unsurprisingly, not those produced by women's industry groups). Yet have you ever heard one feminist say a man has ever got a raw deal? Have you ever heard a woman blame a woman for anything?

Have you ever heard a women's group who supported a false alligation come out and apologise to a man?

What about my suggestion that women retire later than men. They live longer and cost taxpayers much more in health costs so surely they would want to pay their fair share. Surely splitting the 6 year difference and have women retiring 3 years later than men would be fair.

Then we get fools like R0bert and severin. R0bert doesn't want the debate 'polarized'. Women have all the power in relationships and can destroy a man at will yet R0bert doesn't want us polarized. If only we all had such perspicuity (he must be an academic). Severin is a card too. She seems to think something on the ABC about women to be credible. What next!

Otokonoko,

I'm not surprised you were replaced with a woman. Women see men as a threat to their power structures. This is especially so in the social services. Here, they can manipulate vulnerable boys who have never had a male role model with their perverse notions of masculinity. Where masculinity is seen as something threatening, something that needs to be repressed, modified and improved upon. Where everything must be verbalised and discussed ad nauseum.

Of course, when they fail they will blame the crisis in masculinity on men.

dane,

What exactly do you mean when you say that women "work less than men"?

Thanks for explaining, billythekid. While it's understandable that you're still bitter and twisted about the failure of your marriage, blaming women in general for your situation will only extend your suffering. I know, I've been there - a couple of times.

Very few relationship breakdowns are entirely the fault of just one partner. Going back to legally apportioning blame - as Warwick Marsh and apparently you want - wouldn't do anything at all to assuage the hurt that people inevitably feel under the circumstances of divorce, and indeed could make it harder for the kids, if there are any.

The good news is that you make the best of your situation and make some changes in yourself so that you can avoid repeating your mistakes. I know that too from personal experience.

dane - you certainly appear to experiencing a crisis in your masculinity. Why do you blame it on women?

Victimhood is alive and well.

There is no reasoning with some people. You go on about all these awful things women are doing and this nefarious women's industry that is busily working behind the scenes to bring down the male gender. Meanwhile you are quite happy to stick your heads in the sand or plug your fingers in your ears and say no..no..no, I don't want to know about the fact that a huge proportion of the most powerful and wealthiest positions in the world are held by men.

Personally I don't care if they are, but please don't blame women for what has not worked in your lives.

If you look deep enough I think you might still be able to find some remnants of rational thinking. The only people you hurt by these thoughts are yourselves and you deny any opportunity to rebuild your own lives with another woman that might appreciate what you have to offer if you come to the relationship without bitterness.

I don't mean to sound like I'm lecturing anyone but really you just should listen to yourselves.

CJ, pelican well said.

A marriage bust up can be a rough time. It can be tough to do the self analysis necessary to make changes if an ex has been doing the analysis for you.

The thing that sticks out is that those on both sides who want to blame the other side perpetuate the problem rather than help to solve it.

R0bert