The masculinity crisis : Comments

By Warwick Marsh, published 17/6/2010

The crises in masculinity and men’s health are closely related to the rampant discrimination men endure at the hands of the system.

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Severin, I fear you have missed the point of my post. These behaviours that are troubling to lillian are learnt in youth. Yes you may like the shall we say 'nice guy', but that is the exception and not the rule in youth. And no I am not saying that male behaviour is determined by attractive women. I am saying that many youths try to be accepted, and often this takes the form of social status in the school yard. To be seen with the 'attractive female' is to be accepted. Moreover, the vast majority of these 'attractive females' are themselves looking for acceptance. To be seen with the sport star is to be accepted. This leads to elitism, exclusion, bullying and even violence - all forms of abuse. This then leads to acceptance of abusive situations as normal and even as being possitive. These behaviours are as I have said before are learnt in youth and unless something drastic happens they are carried in one form or another through out adult life. This is the cause of the problem, the social ideal imposed on children (who are made to think that it is all and everything by our society) - not the single 'fact' of men are influenced by attractive females.

Posted by Arthur N, Thursday, 17 June 2010 3:29:17 PM

Posted by Formersnag, Thursday, 17 June 2010 4:14:59 PM

You're on the 'list' CJ for "imposition" :)

Topic.
Destroy mens sense of identity= destroy society.

That identity might not be the same in a given number of 'tribes'...but it is nevertheless a vital part of keeping a society afloat.

My favorite link which CJ would have predicted by now is...

http://marriottschool.byu.edu/emp/WPW/pdf/class/Class_5-Unintended_Consequences_of_Modernization.pdf

Of course.. the Title is "BIG MEN don't CRY" err.. or something like that.

Happy reading and concluding.

Posted by ALGOREisRICH, Thursday, 17 June 2010 5:17:04 PM

Gee Runner, you are a brave man to take on the many good men of today who bring up their families together with their wives, as opposed to 'leading them', as you obviously do!

As far as I am concerned, a man who has an equal partnership with his wife is far more of a masculine man than one who 'leads' his family as a dictator would.
Thank God your lot are in the minority.

Formersbag, do you seriously imagine that anyone, with the exception of AlGoreisrich or Antiseptic, would read all your many mad websites noted above?

Surely, there should be a limit on how many website addresses can be posted for any one post?
The word count is surely too much anyway.

Posted by suzeonline, Thursday, 17 June 2010 5:57:24 PM

Suzoneline.....*cough*

err..I'm wondering why...with alll the choices of analogy to make for "men who lead".. in regard to runner you only opted for the

//one who 'leads' his family as a dictator would.//

Why pray tell...does a man who leads.. need to be a dictator ?

Are you suggesting every captain of a footy team is a 'dictator' ?

Is there no room in your scheme of things for a leader to 'inspire'?

Surely any book on leadership will suggest it is:

*The process of social influence in which one person can enlist the aid and support of others in the accomplishment of a common task*

or

* "ultimately about creating a way for people to contribute to making something extraordinary happen."*

But..because Runner is a Christian perhaps? you choose DICTATOR!!

My my.. no prejudice in you is there ? :)

Why not consult the 'user manual' for husbands and wives ?

"25Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her"

Have you never read or heard those words? Do they sound like a 'DICTATOR'?

I suspect you had a 'bad Church experience' most likely as a student at a Catholic school... where you derived your DICTATOR view.

Please... it is
a) Incorrect.
b) Offensive.
c) Insulting.

Posted by ALGOREisRICH, Thursday, 17 June 2010 7:25:46 PM

David I think most of us have seen enough of runner's views over the years to discount any possibility of social influence or inspiration. If he is in fact the head of his home (something I suspect is more in his mind than reality) it's unlikely to have anything to do with inspiration, consideration, a servant nature etc.

It's always possible that his posts on OLO are a game which has nothing to do with his real life nature but I doubt it.

R0bert

Posted by R0bert, Thursday, 17 June 2010 7:35:02 PM

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