Severin: << Gave birth >>

LOL.

billythekid - if you are an "EX teacher", why did you write your claim to be a male teacher in the present tense. Also, the word "antediluvian" is a perfectly ordinary term among educated people. I certainly hope you weren't an English teacher.

<< Masculinity debate indeed....Embarrassing >>

Indeed. You should be embarrassed.

Erm, billy, you were so enthusiastic about your silly rant that you didn't read my posts properly.
I merely suggested that 'boys will be boys' is not an adequate response for parenting, in and of itself.

I read in some silly newspaper article that boy children are much less likely to be kissed and hugged than female children!
For many male children, childhood is something of an emotional desert, and that may well be the problem.

The fact that you describe your girlfriend as 13 years younger and stunning is in itself a little telling.
I have met many frustrated men like you, and the sign on your head is screaming 'avoid'.
Unfortunately, your girlfriend has already committed herself.

It seems to me that a big chip on your shoulder is caused by promiscuity, not women per se.

I have a wonderfully masculine husband, and we really have a fantastic marriage. Do you want a silly box to tick? He is a massive rugby fan, and played himself until he was 35. Now he is permanently physically damaged as a result of the game. A real 'ard man. He is accountable in a way many men are not.

He also has a loving mother, who was always around to give plenty of love and kisses. He loves his mum, and he loves me! Thanks mum, you helped him be the man he is today. His brother (a rugby league tragic) is also a super guy.

Man enough for you? :)

BTK: "I have a stunning girlfriend who is 13 years younger...She wants to marry me! BUT, see, I hesitate because I fear that she will do what I have seen so, so, so many woman do..."

Do her a favour and yourself too. Reject her marriage proposal.

She is either too young or too naive to know what she'd be getting into.

Why is everyone attacking the guys that express they've had bad experiences with woman?

Gee CJ Morgan, who do you think you are? Should we all be highly educated for our opinions to be valid? So petty.

I don't think he wants another girl Pynchme. I don't think I would either.

How about everyone actually listen to what these guys are saying? This is a masculinity forum, it is the guys that are suffering and it's easy to see why. You woman are nasty.

Tonny "Why is everyone attacking the guys that express they've had bad experiences with woman?"

Have you misread what those guy's are saying or what others are saying?

It's not the expression regarding bad experiences with women, it's the attacking all women for the actions of some women and seemingly at the same time showing little or no concern for the bad actions of some men that's drawing the fire.

There are posters around who will attack men for saying they have had bad experiences with women, mostly they pop up to support a piece wanting a rollback of changes to child residency on the basis of "protecting children".

Those involved in this thread are not them.

If it helps have a look at a thread I started recently regarding initiatives to support men and see who the posters are who contributed with positive contributions http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=3734

None of the men who regularly attack all feminists (or women in general in some cases) bothered to have any input. Pynchme provided links to a large number of resources, others also chimed in with some useful pieces (relevant to some, not to others).

It's not having had a bad experience with women that's the problem, it's attacking all women for those experiences that's the issue. I don't like it when I read feminist material blaming men for the injustices of the world, nor do I like it when I see women blamed for the downfall of society.

R0bert

Tonny
We are listening and we have shown empathy for their experiences but not for the bitterness that ensues, nor the nastiness towards women that is sometimes so on display on this forum.

Many of these men are blaming all women for their own bad luck in relationships as if we are all the same. Judge all of us first as individuals not as a homogenous group. Women are many and varied we do not all think or act the same.

That is the problem with many on this forum - criticise a woman and you are identifying a crisis in masculinity, criticise a man and you are a misandrist. Sheesh...it does wear a bit thin at times.