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Why can't a woman's s*xuality be more like a man's? : Comments

By Leslie Cannold, published 10/6/2010

Is low libido in women pathological or just evidence that female s*xuality is different to men's? And is a pill the answer?

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Vanna: Maybe it would help matters if you understood that feminism opposes a system that has always priveleged males over females, not individual men (except the most brutal types). Not all women are feminists and feminism hasn't been fought by women alone; there are insightful men who have helped too because they have shared the interest in social justice. Feminism has fought for the human rights of women (and as a corollory - men); children (both female and male) and has also fought on behalf of people disadvantaged by slavery and poverty as well.

Men who helped structure the very foundations include:

Thomas Wentworth Higginson, who stated:

"I do not see how any woman can avoid a thrill of indignation when she first opens her eyes to the fact that it is really contempt, not reverence, that has so long kept her sex from an equal share of legal, political, and educational rights…[a woman needs equal rights] not because she is man’s better half, but because she is his other half. She needs them, not as an angel, but as a fraction of humanity."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men_and_feminism

Or you could read John Stuart Mill:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Subjection_of_Women

All of history has been written with men at the centre; their achievements are well documented. What more do you expect feminists to add, when we are still documenting womens participation in historical events.

Your demand is akin to demanding that slaves acknowledge the achievements of slave owners; with the codicil that if they refuse to praise their oppressors they shouldn't be freed from bondage.

You could make the same demand of women in Afghanistan - even there (as here) women have sons and spouses who they love dearly. Why does that love negate their need for the same human rights as those to which male citizens are entitled?
Posted by Pynchme, Sunday, 27 June 2010 11:55:44 PM
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Pychme,
You still haven't found a single document written by a feminist employed in a university in Australia that has said one good thing about the male gender.

I don't believe such a document exists, and the education system is a highly feminist system that would now have to be one of the most bigoted and prejuiced systems operating in Australia.

As far as male oppression of women - highly debateable, when women out-live men in every country.

In general terms, men have provided for women and sacraficed themselves for women right through history.
Posted by vanna, Monday, 28 June 2010 7:08:47 AM
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"Also I don't often read Bettina Arndt, but I believe she has never called herself a feminist.
She seems to like men."
Congratulations Vanna; you've found yourself an unbeatable (and unwinnable) argument. Neither Pynchme or anyone else can find a feminist article which praises men, because according to you, that would prove they weren't really feminists.
I was under the impression feminism was about female equality. Do you find it impossible to like someone that you feel equal to, or do you need to feel superior to them?
As for your statement:
"In general terms, men have provided for women and sacraficed (sic) themselves for women right through history."
Throughout history, the very most dangerous (and most natural) thing anyone could do was have a baby. Death in childbirth was commonplace, without the ongoing commitment required of a mother.In a hunter gatherer society, having to lug a child around would have to lessen your survival chances dramatically. I believe this is where the male role of protector clearly began; and the glamour of a 'noble, brave and selfless' mate prepared to risk his life for his mate.
Childbirth has never been seen as glamorous; or noble or brave, strangely.
To my mind, it seems only fair that if a woman is prepared to risk her life to have a child, a man should be willing to risk his, to keep it.
It seems to me a great shame that so many men today have lost sight of this simple and obvious truth, and wonder at 'what it means to be a Man'.
Posted by Grim, Monday, 28 June 2010 7:48:41 AM
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vanna: "In general terms, men have provided for women and sacraficed themselves for women right through history"

In general terms that is nonsense.

The patriarchal system has made it possible for men to do what they please within the scope of male culture. That includes war as well as dangerous activity, ignoring one's health care; drinking to excess and so on - contributing to earlier mortality.

Women have been mere appendages to that dominant culture.

However, there are female historians and sociologists, scientists and the like who contribute to the recording of events. No doubt some are feminists.

Why do you need an article by a feminist that specifically praises men ?

What would it do for you?
Posted by Pynchme, Monday, 28 June 2010 7:52:02 AM
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Grim, Pynchme,
Noted that you still haven’t found a single article written by a feminist employed in an Australian university that says something positive about the male gender.

Typically, these universities have policies regards discrimination (good), but then these universities completely ignore these policies (bad), and allow bigotry, prejudice and narrow mindedness to run rife, as long as that bigotry, prejudice and narrow mindedness is applied to the male gender.

As for men being over-sexed, almost everything many women wear is designed to attract male attention, from high heeled shoes (push out the buttocks and the breasts) to red lipstick (and perhaps we best not mention the reasons for that on this forum).
Posted by vanna, Monday, 28 June 2010 8:34:26 AM
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I agree with grim ,but things have changed and our intellects and freedom have allowed our lifestyles and attitudes to sex and domestic life to wander away from our biological roots it seems.
Posted by kartiya jim, Monday, 28 June 2010 8:34:26 AM
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