Pynchme, "I already told you that expecting feminists to sing praises of men (though as I said, some in the usual course of their academic endeavours would have done and I know plenty of feminists, including myself, who are full of love and praise for the men in their lives and some in their workplaces - depends on the man) both misunderstands what feminism is about (systemic change) and is akin to expecting American negroes (sic) to iterate the accomplishments of plantation owners or women from Afghanistan to glorify the Taliban."

Conceding that a few Australian men might pass muster - no doubt through their exposure and re-training by their feminist 'partners' - while insinuating that Australian men as a gender are no better than slavers or the Taliban is the sort of statement one might expect from an Eighties radical feminist. However very few Australian women would agree with that jaundiced opinion of the men in their lives or men as a gender.

Your unnecessary, objectionable statement is characteristic of the extreme, men-hating 'feminism' I abhor and the sort that most Australians, women and men, would avoid like the Plague.

Cornflower,
I once heard it from someone very high up in the university system.

Saying any positive words about the male gender would be “approving men’s violence against women”.

So now there is no academic employed in an Australian university who has written an article that says one good thing about the male gender (or no one can seem to find such as article), and no academic can give any words of praise to men, only words of condemnation and denigration.

That is the type of thinking that fills our inglorious, bigoted, sexist, prejuiced and feminist education system.

vanna, "So now there is no academic employed in an Australian university who has written an article that says one good thing about the male gender"

That's not what the challenge was. You specifically asked for articles by academic feminists from Australian Universities, I found material published by staff of universities which had good things to say about men, what I did not find was material where the author was clearly feminist and did so. Don't misrepresent that. Michael Flood clearly identifies his support of feminism and is only not specifically a feminist because the dispute over a male being feminist and he has some good things to say about men (but by his own admission has not said so often enough). The shed piece was written by Australian University academics.

My recollection is that Dorothy Scott who was involved in an important DV study (http://www.fact.on.ca/Info/dom/heady99.htm) had a history in feminist work and that work while not making value judgments about either gender certainly was not anti-male.

R0bert

Cornflower,

Agreed.

When pynchme praises men it usually has the distinct smell of statements like "I'm not racist, some of my best friends are black."

"and is akin to expecting American negroes to iterate the accomplishments of plantation owners or women from Afghanistan to glorify the Taliban."

I'd missed that earlier. Again the extremely low view some hold of men is neatly summarised. Add that one to the earlier quote

The vast majority of men who treat women well are condemned as no better than slave owners or deadly religious extremists. The plight of the modern woman is portrayed as being as bad as a slave in the south many years ago or of a woman who could be stoned to death for not complying with accepted "moral" behaviors.

Keep in mind the writers this is about are by and large on the public payroll supposedly engaged in legitimate research which potentially influences public policy and is often portrayed as fact.

Any genuine body of academic research on gender issues would find some good things to say about males and masculinity just as the writers manage to find good things to say about females and femininity.

Instead what we find is clear statements of research goals to "validate women subjective experience's" and the doctoring of results by the application of "feminist analysis" when the results don't fit the message.

Pynchme step back for a bit and think about what you have posted say's about what you have come to accept. You find things to criticise on the men's sites but I'll be very surprised if you can find anything nearly as nasty about the bulk of women on the MRA site attributable to the site owners as you have posted here about men.

R0bert

Robert,
I believe Michael Flood once received a "Toad Award" from an organisation for his negative comments about men.

As regards a "shed", every school and university on this planet has been built by men (as far as I am aware), but the number of academics employed in those schools and universities who have ever published an article that says even one positive word about the male gender is almost 0.

If no academic ever said a positive word about negroes, or Jews or Asians etc then they would be classed as bigots.

They are also to be classed as bigots for never saying one positive word about the male gender.