floatinglili,
"half-hearted pimply boys"

It must be these times that nothing is ever positively said about the male gender, men or boys.

I wonder where this type of thinking originated?

vanna
You are being a bit disengenuous. You raised the issue of the value of women in terms of when "They" show respect, integrity etc. When I raised the same importance in men displaying the same qualities in your list you rattled off all the achievements of men (as if that can be generalised) while ignoring the contributions of women.

The implication was clearly a negative about women because you separate the need for respect and integrity in men as somehow different.

I provided Bettina Arndt as an example of one feminist I know who writes about men's needs as well as womens, and you dismissed her because her example does not suit your negativity towards women.

You want to see negative in women/feminism and you will always see it because it is where you want to be.

I am arguing let the shackles of bitterness go, and get out and treat women with equal respect, integrity and care, as you would any man, and you may be surprised at the outcome.

pelican: << You are being a bit disengenuous. >>

Who? Not our vannakins?

Never!

Hey cornflower, did you 'answer' that question (as a marketing guru charged with the task of selling this product) or did you just offer your opinion on the answer?
As for old *arts bragging about being 'ready' I do hope you weren't referring to me. I said (JOKINGLY) that whereas young men (allegedly) think about sex every 27 (or so) seconds, us old guys are (blessedly) less afflicted; we only think about sex every 32 seconds or so.
That's a joke.
In truth, I bet sometimes I can go a whole minute without having a thought about sex intrude on my ruminations.
Legend has it Pythagoras exclaimed "I'm free!" (from such thoughts)... When he was only 82...
Does that sound like I'm bragging about being 'ready'? Every 32 seconds? Talk about premat... oops. premature ejac... oops.
Hey Sev, I still luv ya. Although I may never forgive you for the mental image of runner (who bears a startling resemblance to John Howard, in my mind) in a bikini.
Vanna, I really think you should start your own thread, and tell us what it really is that bothers you. You're clearly carrying around a lot of baggage.

Pelican,

You still haven't found a feminist employed by an Australian university that has published an article that says something positive about the male gender.

I don't think there is such an article.

What a tribe academics must be. They import everything they use with funding from the Australian taxpayer, then they can't write anything positive about 50% of Australia's population. And even some of them think they are ethicists.

Also I don't often read Bettina Arndt, but I believe she has never called herself a feminist.

She seems to like men.

One wonders what happens in a mature Lesbian Relationship - does the amount of sex received and given go up to that higher frequency often desired by males, or is there a "female" and lower level of sexual activity the norm ?