oliver/quote..<<..If/asking..why..a strict/existentialist-position..has implications..for free-will..

it-is that/..if..we cannot absolutely..trust/that..our senses and knowledge..is innate.../any true-relevation..from a God/..is implanted by God.>>

by inate/knowledge..are you/refering to animal/instinct?..or the famouse...'hunch'/educated-guess?

<<If/god..allows some..to know the truth of god..>>god allows all[via our likes/dislikes...via frewill/choices

<<and others not:..One,god is being selective>>god is not selective...he's..freely available/to all..who/yearn..for his voice

realise./oliver..that WE got/..a pre-life..previeuw..
that we ACTUALLY chose..our parentals/..BEFORE incarnating...its worth/remenbering..just egsactly...why/we chose*..our parents..to teach*/us what they*did

its a big-clue..about ourselves..
to question..why..we chose*..the parents..we did

have we gotten/all we hoped..from our FREE-choice..
FROM/..before..us/even being born?

<<two,..as the/recipients/are not..free to choose/theism or atheism>>>well..my brother..

we were/..are...free to chose..
we..just dont/recall it

<<God chooses>>>nothing..he of love/grace..
ALLOWS us..our choices

ALL OUR CHOICES..we/each made..freely.

yes the truth/of<<Such a position/would have enormous implication/for traditional Christrian-teaching.>>

and if they/dont.didnt..know..
we deserve to know why...!

<<With the/qualifier..he seems/to..pull/his punches on this matter when discussing God.>>

god pulls his punches so much..he refuses to punch..
[sadly i have yet to..learn/this]

<<recall..my remarks/made..in the context of George's/earlier OLO remarks on Paul Tillich...Tillich,/>>

<<if I understand him/correctly,..made a distinction..between an unkownable,..unobjectifiable god,..and,..the god of the scriptures,>>>

what he/..MAY..have meant..
is the difference/between old/new testiment.god

jesus reveals;..god is personally knowable..
an inner good..who lives as per..emmmanuel[god with-in]..sustaining us all..our very lives...

one to one

[recall..jesus/revealed..see me/see my father..[inside me]..he could-well have added..;"when/..i see you...i see god..inside you..too"

recall..jesus saying/who shall lead-you..shall serve you..
..just as the father/serves each living..our very lives[naturally]

<<the god of man...in a sense/when a man/women
says god exists;..that scriptural/god..is something of;a claytons/identity>>

ie the god you have/if you need a god/outside..you..
to make the choices..you darn't take/../yourself?

<<Yet,..Tillich's god.."is",..yet..might/not exist,..
as we might commonly denote..the word the word exist.>>

think about/that....god is within..all of us.
.WHAT WE KNOW.do,..,he knows/did..too..

why?..because/his voice..[of reason]..was there all the time..
[think of god..as/like..a cricket..in a nice/waist-coat..and umbrella...

jimminy/cricket..batman..!

<<For the outside/ajudicator..[edited]..Yet,..that..situation,..would not/explain..how/a temporal being us)..can know..the non/objectifiable god:>>...look within..listen/with your heart.

[i know/im..not smart-enough..to write/the things i do..[
something inside/is clearly trying to/make sense..of the insanity/arround us/ok me]....i call that..logus../

logic..of the light..yet not/..the light

Dear OUG,

Tillich and Kierkegaard provide interesting propositions ouside of tradition discourse. They provide atypical world-views based on logical foundations. Yet, these are one of many views, which we can choose to accept or not. Whether right or wrong these philosophers of theology prime use to think about the relationship of Humanity to any alleged God, our role in Faith and the nature of what is meant by the existence of God.

All,

The discussion leading to these matters are a few pages back.

Dear Oliver,
would love to discuss Kierkegaard with you on a thread one day; he's ties in with Schopenhauer, Nietzsche and others of the post-Enlightenment tradition.
Unfortunately too busy at the moment :-(

Dear Squeers,

Yes, please. Howver, for the next few months, I will be very busy too. My posts of late have tended to be a little shorter for that reason.

I do much appreciate your contributions here, as I am sure you know.

Regards.

Re: Posted by Oliver, Thursday, 12 August 2010 4:03:22 PM

Dan,

I trust my attempt an explanation was useful.

ok i recognise the signs of a topic..that has run its course

so have a final reply to oliver/quote..<<..Tillich and Kierkegaard provide interesting propositions.../ouside of tradition discourse.>>noting that they are not scientists...nor priests,..they offer thus no proof...nor make claim to any higher purpose

in other words their words are de-bait-able..not authoritive

<<They provide atypical/world-views..based on logical foundations>>.logic does not provide faulsifiables...logic sounds reasonable as long aas the logical is founded on fact or reason...[or is either benificiant...or fair

<<.Yet,..these are one/of many views>>thats the great thing about..pillow-sophy,you can have one foot each side of a barb[wire fence]..yet claim there is no boundry/line

<<which/we..can choose to accept or not.>>>or indeed rebut...or agree upon...thus the foundation of eternal debates..in the heavens and hells as even the pillowsophesirs..divide ibnto ever more narrow fields of con-sense-us

<<Whether right or wrong/these philosophers..of theology>>not sure thats the right term/maybe a better word can be found..post-modernism..or humanit-arian-ism..just seem to recent

phylosophers-theo-logie..<<prime use;..to think about the relationship of Humanity..to any alleged God,>>>seeking to keep the doudt..thus by any-other name....athiestic/juxtipositioning..creating shadow...where no light..is permitted to shine...making the bleeding obvious..invisable to the oblivious

<<our role in Faith>>>..'their-role in faithlessness''?

<<and the nature/of what is meant>>....not that which is/self evident the fruit of/..wrought<<by the existence of God>>

oh well[oh hell]../nuthing left to mutilate...[oops respond to]
plenty to respond...with..but will let the sleepers lie//let those who would be decieved..be decieved

if god wants them to sleep
who am i to tell them
to realise who they really are
seeking to let them know what/why they have allways been

heck..if they wanted to they could have done the research/themselves..
then had surity..not mere belief/...not mere faith..but no...it seemed too hard..just like its too hard/for the rusted catheater to explain that he too took on faith

because..if thats all you got
you reveal..thats all you got

get it?
no i thought not

facts not faith
when your sleeping..enjoy the rest/
while the rest of us feast..ok you heard all the rest

time to sweep the crumbs off the table

ahhh...men