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Religion and science: respecting the differences : Comments
By Michael Zimmerman, published 31/5/2010The teachings of most mainstream religions are consistent with evolution.
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Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 22 September 2010 10:33:36 AM
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OUG,
Your comparison between DNA instructions and computer programming is instructive but not how you might have intended. Application programmes with run common operating systems. Word and Excel both operate on Microsoft's Windows underpinning archetecture. The most fundamental instructions are of a common lanaguage, suggesting both Word and Excel have a common original. On IBM mainframes, using application programmes under MVS/XA one would occasionally create an unintended mutation-like instruction by unintensionally naming a command word (e.g. PRINT or SUM) as a field designator*. The computer would revert to the key command word and execute an unwanted instruction. If the mouse and fly have the same underlying operating system, instructions about eyes can translated by the earliest common ancestor's operating menu. * A typical field NAME, ADDRESS or AGE. If one uses words like like "SORT" and "EXECUTE", depending on how the code is written, the programme with give priority to the (deeper)command word. This is NOT really grafting. Grafting would be if you gave George a copy of your version of Word. That geture would not change the the Microsoft operating system and definitely not the machine langauge of the computer. Hence, the commentors claim that Mice and Flies have a common ancestor (operating system). Posted by Oliver, Wednesday, 22 September 2010 10:44:15 AM
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its also worth..recalling ...this link
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=3247&page=0 that-is...if you/can..handle..the/truth* [or still..recognise-it..when/..if..you see-it] you might*..have/read..this topic http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=2305&page=0 if not..it is worth/reading.. [as we..gained concensus/at some stage] plus many/more links For..the atheists..who complain/ that..we never provide..any evidence,..let/them..debate this: http://www.onlinedebate.net/forums/showthread.php?s=f2808dac9151ecf0d31f7af106ae8462&t=15307 Everything that/..begins to exist”..has a cause. every-one*..has/..about..30,000..*mutations..[evolutions..[lol] where to..next? evolution/postulates..mutations are evolutions Literally thousands/of..human diseases..associated*-with..genetic mutations have/been..catalogued..in recent years,..with more being described..continually. A recent..reference/book..of medical-genetics..listed some 4,500 different genetic*-diseases. Some of/the..inherited*-syndromes..characterized/clinically..in the days..before molecular/genetic-analysis..(such as Marfan's/syndrome)..are now/being-shown..to be hetero-geneous;.. that is,..associated with/many different..mutations. This review/will only scratch..the surface/of..the many recent discoveries...Still,..the examples/cited..will illustrate a compelling general-principle..which extends throughout/this..expanding-field. The purpose/of this article..is to demonstrate/the..poverty of evolutionary-theory..to explain the-facts..in one well-researched area..of biology--that is,..the area of human-genetics. It will/show..how the facts unearthed..by/this research/show mutations..to be..,not a.."blind watchmaker,"..but more/truthfully analogous..to a.."blind-gunman." The human-mutation/problem..is bad and/..getting-worse by deliberate-design...[mutagenes..in our food/water/vacinations..] http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/genetic-mutations.html here to give..an indication/of where..humans are-'evolving'/to http://news.softpedia.com/news/The-10-Most-Common-Human-Mutations-57223.shtml http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abcsZZ9Duxw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAOhSUQomVg Men are responsible/for..the majority of human/genetic-mutations, according to a landmark-publication..in the scientific\journal/..Nature. Researchers of the Human-Genome/Project..discovered that..the Y chromosome,..found only in/men,[who/also..give;life]..passes on genetic-mutations..twice as often..as the X chromosome. (Women/have two..X chromosomes, while men have/one X..and one Y.) http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2001/02/41763 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/02/22/ST2008022200763.html it even/has..its own publications http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/38515/home?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0 so where/is..this all-going http://www.perceptions.couk.com/authority.html why are/we..as we/are? http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=2411&page=0 from http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=2305&page=0 from http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v9/i1/finch.asp quote>>There/is-a..very heavy-burden..of/proof..on those/propounding the-doctrine..that bacteria..have self-transformed..into palm-trees and fish,..and the/latter..turned into..tigers/and...nuclear-scientists. For one/thing,..it demands..a natural-process..capable/of..generating vast amounts..of new..,bio-functionally/significant,,..coded-information. To watch..natural-selection..sifting and sorting..through existing information,..deleting/chunks..of it,..begs the/question..of the origin..of all-that/information.>>.. <<What a/pity..that neither/the-researchers ..nor Weiner..appear/to understand..the logical fact-that,..while natural-selection..may-be an..intrinsic/part-of..a particular/evolutionary-model, demonstrating*..it..does/not..of itself..demonstrate/the..‘fact’..of evolution...if by/that..you mean..a one-celled/organism..becoming today’s..complex/biosphere.>>.. <<Weiner recounts/how..Darwin was-able/to..apply selection..to/breed pigeons..so different*/from..each-other*..that/if..found by biologists..in the wild*,..they would not/only-have been/categorized as separate..species,..but even..separate/genera. This is/of-course..a marvellous-demonstration..of the/amount..of variability..built-into/each..created-kind,..allowing/it..to respond to changing/environmental-pressures..and thus..conserve..the/kind.>> Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 22 September 2010 11:11:03 AM
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Dear OUG,
Busy. Back in a few days. Perhaps someone else will comment in the meantime. Sometimes, I worry we are talking past each other. Posted by Oliver, Wednesday, 22 September 2010 2:43:58 PM
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yes/it does see-that/way...sometimes
your/quote..<<Your comparison/between..DNA-instructions and/computer-programming..is/not how you/might have intended.>>yes..it was a foolish/comparison <<Application-programmes>>dna <<run common-operating/systems.>>so does..dna.. thus you can/wack..in the programing..for/.. say a mouses eye...into a fly. [...macontosh/or windows-system].. and the eye..programing..simply boots-it/up <<Word and Excel..both operate..on Microsoft's Windows/underpinning archetecture.>>just as dna...code..can/be read by..any mitrachonda that them switches/on..off according to the program/segment..of dna/being read <<The most fundamental-instructions..are of..a common lanaguage>>yes..same-with..dna/rna,its universal..based on..4 simple componants <<suggesting..both/Word..and Excel..have a..common/original.>>.ok...that might..or may-not..be so.. [i think/it was reverse/engeneered...by word..micro-soft...[windows] much/like..science..is trying..to reverse*-engineer..evolution* but not/as affectivly..as micro/windows.. despite the same media-type/hype micro-evolution..is valid macro-evolution..still/fraud but/clearly...in the case/of dna.. god...clearly..wrote/all..the code.. man..can..at/best..ONLY*..find-new/apps*..for it <<On IBM/mainframes,..under..MVS/XA..one/would..occasionally create an..un-intended..mutation-like..instruction>>... see were/talking..the same language [my egsample..is able/to-be..comprehended] mutation=wrong..instruction..<<by..unintensionally/naming..a command word..>>yes..im with/you..[your certainly smarter..than ol'rusty] <<(e.g...PRINT or..SUM)>>... yes..print/one copy..or many..of/the same-copies..[eyes] dependant...upon..what standard..we are using..<<as a..field-designator*.>>[with god..all/the systems..are...the same only the/programs differ]... just-as programs..can only/get coorupted..in..computers.. not/designed...by*..them so too..the instructions..of our heavenly-father..creater/designer/builder/lover/sustainer[good/mercyfull/loving/living..god] god..the untimate...self organising...main-frame <<The computer..would revert/to the..key-command/word..and execute..an unwanted/instruction>>...or express..a mutation... unless we have a mortal/error...in programing..[lethal-mutation]... in/which-case..its program..is so error/ridden..mutated.. so far from its genomic-mean.. so corrupted..we cant/even-get..a safe/start-up-mode <<If the/mouse..and fly..have the/same..underlying operating-system,>> and your link/proves...they do via the/succesfull...eye-program/start-up... <<instructions..about eyes..canbe..translated/by the earliest-common ancestor's..operating menu.>>.. see there/is..the fatal-error just/because...a micro-soft..program..works-in..your desk-top/ dosnt mean..it will..work..in your palm-top..or lap-top..or/mac remember..in the case/of...flies/meeces... they got..the/same manufacturor/creator...that used..the same-system it dosnt/mean..there is/a common...ancestor only..a common*..designer...using..a common-system see for/your theory.. to..hold-water we...need to/be..able-to ... breed*..anything..to anything..! or else..your common-ancestor..therum,..is bunkum and we..cant mate/with..sheep/nor apes your/link..didnt admit/..say..they bred..together..neither thus to strech..the imposability.. to common-decent..mate.. its just wrong <<This is/NOT-really..grafting.>> its not breeding/mating... nor..proof/of...macro-evolution...neither <<Grafting..would-be/if..you gave George..a copy of your/version..of Word...That geture..would/not..change the..the Microsoft-operating/system..and definitely not/the..machine-langauge..of the computer.>> neither does..growing a/sheeps-eye..on a mac-fly Mice and Flies..have a common-creator*/designer/sustainer god who..via adam/eve...our homo-ancestor..gave..adam/life and/eve..the ability/permissions..to replicate...and build-copies they..also..didnt/get...gods-system...either do/we-get..each-other...now? Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 22 September 2010 3:51:05 PM
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OUG,
I was once a mainframe systems analyst/programmer. It may have required specialist knowledge or expereince to understand the comparison. Sorry to confuse, if you can't follow the similarities. Posted by Oliver, Wednesday, 22 September 2010 7:41:42 PM
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where science..tried/to..decieve
this is/link..one..[as previously posted
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=3124&page=0
so..i gave a/chance..for them/to-prove..their case
before a\jury..of their/peers
none has/rebutted..nor been/able..to refute
survival..of the..elite/fittest..is the main darwinian adgenda..
know-nothing/peers..who think-to..know it all..but..know/nuthing
anyhow the trial...of which/this..topic is one
is but one of the main three...is begun..and on-going....
http://www.worldfreemansociety.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=120&t=3225
my plan/is..to slowly dice and slice/my way/
through..the three olo-debates
you claim the numbers/faulsifyables
reveal/them
court is/in session
http://www.worldfreemansociety.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=120&t=3225
prepare to/be revealed..
know..your/decieved...found/wanting
dont say..you didnt know
here is/how..dumb some-people are
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gk5aRIz17fk&feature=player_embedded
and here/is some-more..proof..
[even/if..you lot..cant see/past ya nose..
cant see people been decieving you..big time
and by/selling-you..on the godless-evolution
you/do..as the godless do
Bioterrorism Tabletop Exercise..
Was Being Conducted..In Ukraine One Month Ago/
Now Country Is Gripped By Mystery Epidemic
Steve Watson/Infowars.net
Saturday,..Nov 7th,..2009
As this Interpol/release..discloses,..
http://www.interpol.int/Public/BioTerrorism/tabletop/default.asp
a full-scale bioterrorism exercise..
was being conducted by..the agency in Central and Eastern Europe,..including in Ukraine,
just one/month before..the emergence/of..the mystery-epidemic..now sweeping the country.
Related: Ukraine: Vaccine Ban Blamed For Sweeping Epidemic
http://infowars.net/articles/november2009/061109Ukraine.htm
Related: Martial Law Declared In Ukraine Over Mystery Epidemic
http://infowars.net/articles/november2009/051109Ukraine.htm
Related:..Swine Flu,..Mystery Virus..Or Pure Hype:
What Is Going On In Ukraine?
http://infowars.net/articles/november2009/021109Ukraine_panic.htm
see..they lie/to..you about such-stuff
via..the belief/faith..in sciences/omnipotance
but mainly via the deciet..of macro-evolution...
so they..can get..more/funding...
yet never..conclusivly validate..their THEORY
by genocide/eugenics..they hope to full-fill
the darwin...adgenda/genociding..the use-less/eaters..
[like..they did...in-the/trenches...ww1]
via things..like bacteria...[resistant/to..anti-biotics]
and mass/vacinations..with gmo..[bacteria..produced vacines]
see al they do is scoop-out..the bacteria...dna..
and insert..their adgenda/virus..that breeds like bacteria
and kills-off..all the lesser-beings.
...leaving only the/elites..who can aford..the cure
sold/to-us..by kindly pro-fessors..in white/hats...oops..lab-coats
simply..breeding bacteria...for the conversion/by amusment..
tricks...for kids....wanting their-own...white/lab-coat
http://forum.worldfreemansociety.org/viewtopic.php?f=184&t=3225&hilit=evolution