i know-it..shouldnt/really matter..what...others believe..
or decieve/themselves..into believing

and yes/i was a bit crude/..on the rusty-cath-hater..but really docters..are in a position/of honour..

to who/much is given..much more/is to be expected

lets face-it..all that biology-stuff..finalises..when the docter..tells you your going to die...

they abouve all/else..must be humanitarian..they abouve all..must have a conscience...

they/claim the facts..thus.must try hard..to find all../ALL the answers

take those/near-death/experiences...
its far too easy to come-down..on the side of some delusion..rather than face the fact...you will be confronted..with/..your miss-takes..EVEN..after death

and as/the highest cause of death..is death by docters/error..[to wit..miss-dia-gnosis..or over per-script-ion..or even to relieve/suffering..death by over dosing..pain-relief..

noting/most-of..us will have..'died..peacefully..in their sleep'..on our funeral notice../because the docter..orded the nurse..to give a higher dosage]..

and..im not.saying thats wrong..!

only that/they must ensure/they KNOW..and reveal...ALL THE FACTS..!

[many/if told by a docter..they only need
a healthy diet...or told they must exersize..one hour per day..or avoid salt..or transfats..or white/processed foods...

WILL ATTEMPT/to follow docters-orders

ok and many wont/
but,,if the docters added/to their tool-chest..not their armory...
the fact that their ailment...has a deaper/spiritual..under-lying cause..

that even/dying cant cure,!

in fact/will make redemption HARDER..
many/on their death-beds..will arise..and try harder

thats/only human/nature

we hear/many-times;how docters got it wrong
heard/how some are told..'you/will never walk-again'

yet did..!

have heard/how some are in remission..and others told you/gona-die

forgive my anger..but see
its by good reason..that docters
GIVEN...SOOO MUCH..be expected/to give the full truth

AND IF THEY DONT-KNOW..to clearly say so..!
but at-least/have put in the hard-yards,,to find out
OR suggest the possability/of alternatives..us lessor/humans..havnt thought of

DEAD dont mean/dead
no docter/has made life

in fact docters dont so-much heal others
as set the bone..till nature/heals itself...in a few weeks

or stitches a wound..together..till/nature heals it

or take these pills..till nature cures your cold

the whole medicine/industry..is there/as the pinicale of this deciete
of evolving genus..so we trust the docter..to take the latest jab..or go quietly..into the gas-chambers/under sedation

i will give you/the benifit of the doudt...rusty

now give me your evidence of evolving..
evolve your thinking..

dont just run-way
talk

Hi all,

Please be aware there are several insights going back a few pages prior to OUG's lengthy contributions to this thread.

you are correct/of course/oliver

<<..Kierkegaard..I understand/is an existentialist.>>..Existentialism requires/the active acceptance..of our nature..im just being me/forgetting..to allow others..to be themselves

EXISTENTIALISM is an..'umbrella'-term/covering..diverse and often conflicting-schools of thought...Consequently/we are not agreed/on who or why...but ocasionally on what...

existentialism...A philosophy/that emphasizes the uniqueness and isolation..of the individual experience..in a hostile or indifferent universe,

Professor Robert Olson/noted that we spend..our lives wanting more and more.

<<Unlike most other..theorists,/the existentialists..make no effort/to avoid value judgments...Phenomeno-logically,..good and bad are as.."real"..as>>..ok..that one continues here

http://existentialist.blogspot.com/

but back to oliver/quote..<<He/would feel..that all we know of the ouside world..comes to use/through..our unreliable senses/..and that our senses are fallible.>>ok i agree/in part..but if we cant/trust our senses...well common-sense..isnt that common..noting con-artists...really know their stuff..add in peer-presure...

well/..we see the fruit

,kirkguard/quote,<<..we are born ignoran/ with those fallible senses,.."unlike"..Socrates and Meno..(Plato).>>..who ofcourse are gods/not ever mere mortals/like..ourselves...lol

oliver/<<I think/if Kierkegaard..where to more fully>>egsamine/expound>>?<<the hard interpretation/of posits/to God,we can only/be-a_way of God,[if god is real]..through divine intervention.>>i hope i got that/quote/right..but if so he allready did..for 6 time/periods..and some/of the old/test-i-men-t

<<If divine-intervention/..is infused,..without the use/of..our fallible senses,..direct inject..appears to favour/only the theistic.>>i cant agree...

i feel gods imput/might only be limited/to that we detect/via our senses...anything beyond our senses..couldnt be detected/thus would be beyond us/speculating/about...

<<The comments/about.."puppets"..were based/more on/our..own primary existentialist-view..of knowledge/than his writings on God.>>>beyond/me...i never heard of the guy/only commenting...generally

<<If this/is true..(an I am not/saying it is),..there are major-issues..for free will>>>do explain..

<<and why/one is..a theist or an atheist...God chooses.>>strongly dis-agree...

admitedly..in part it could be swayed..by nurture/
in time..our/inhernt..natural/life-experiences/peers..adult/matured-nature's..will overcome..any pre-conditioning..if only by/our having aquired/experience/gnosis[knowlwedge]

<<we should skeptical/of..our senses,..because the external world is only known/through..those senses>>but modified..by our feelings..[like love is blind]

via senses..<<and reliability/is now..absolutely known.>>yet we still can/get decieved...not so much/by..but through/our senses

<<absolute confidence,..is absurd.>>AGREE

<<If knowledge/of God..is infalliable/it..must have been..selectively implanted in theists>>thats too general/to be true..we all copme/to faith..via different/paths.

<<I think Kierkegaard/pulled-his-punches..of his own theory..when it came to God,>>>how/so?

Dear OUG,

"The comments/about.."puppets"..were based/more on/our..own primary existentialist-view..of knowledge/than his writings on God.>>>beyond/me...i never heard of the guy/only commenting...generally... <<If this/is true..(an I am not/saying it is),..there are major-issues..for free will>>>do explain."

"..DO EXPLAIN":

If are asking why a strict existentialist position has implications for free will it is that if we cannot absolutely trust our senses and knowledge is innate any true relevation from a God is implanted by God. If god allows some to know the truth of god and others not:

One, god is being selectibe and, two, as the recipients are not free to choose theism or atheism. God chooses. Such a position would have enormous implication for traditional Christrian teaching. Kierkegaard did not mention puppets (that was me); yet, his core existentalist philosophy, I posit, would suggest such this. ith qualifier he seems to pull his punches on this matter when discussing God.

Please also recall my remarksmade in the context of George's earlier OLO remarks on Paul Tillich. Tillich, if I understand him correctly, made a distinction between an unkownable, unobjectifiable god, and, the god of the scriptures, e.g, the god of man. So, in a sense, when a man/women says god exists; that scriptural god is something of; how can I say it? - Clayton's entity. Yet, Tillich's god "is", yet might not exist, as we might commonly denote the word the word exist.

For the outside ajudicator having a transendental god above or in lieu of the scriptural god(s), the posit, disarms the anthropologists and academic theologians, because explaining political or histological motives wane. Yet, that situation, would not explain how a temporal being us) can know the non objectifiable god: Again, leading one to a spiritual infusion/injection, with or without existentialism.

OUG,

I have never responded to your twaddle as you obviously need help.

I am posting now because I feel there is a duty of care.

Seek clinical psychiatric help, advise the doctors that you have immersed yourself in a cult and are incapable of making rational analysis of your surroundings.

I wish you well.

Rusty

the/rusty cath-hater..has given his diagnosis..

the sad thing is/as..a docter[wanna/be?]..he is in a position/..to get anyone locked-up..clearly the medical-assosiation..should be aware..of the predisposition/of god replacements to wanna/be..de-facto gods

its rather clever/how no attempt has/been made to correct..my assumptions...with him/her..being as immovable as i..

trouble being..im not likely to be/the one..
with your life...in her hands..

clearly/he/she...dosnt/cannot explain..my questions

nor rebut the words written..
this from one who/thinks he/she..is god

in other words..
bacteria mutating/within their genus..is all he/she has got

so i will let him/her...rest in their FAITH
trusting god..if i ever deem..to seek a quack..
he/she..isnt one of them..

sorry oliver..for revealing..yet again/my weakness for bull/pullers
and appoligies..to any that may read/these words

the thing/is..there is a presumable..a hypocratic-oath
that apoparently..is interchangable with..the hypocritic
that allows only athiests..to get aid...and anyone else..the nut-house

such is where those believing..evolution..on trust
by[faith alone]..has gotten us..know-it-alls..who really..know nothing

as oliver has pointed out..there are other topics..
that DESERVE reply..!

the rusty cath-hater..has said all he wishes/
wished...to say
and so too i

clearly he knows nothing about evolution/beyond species/level
lets hope he knows more about doctering

or recalls the oath..he took...[before god]...lol

he must know/..that contracts..[in writing..or verbal/oaths]..are binding..both in this/realm..and the other realms..yet to come

but any who would lie/to god
would/lie down..with the dogs/
thus revealing they got fleas

sorry if that sounds harsh..but you must have/seen the damage/booze/perscribed-drugs do..

yet even on this/..you remain silent

all that education..and you learned nothing
but passing on your problem..to the next-'guy'

buck-passing..little wonder medical insurance/cost has sky-rocketed