Dear OUG,

So there is symbolism in the Bible; i.e., Nebuchadnezzar's dream? Why not allegory; wherein, Genesis is allegorical? Matthew 4.8 seems to refer to actual temptation and preparation, as I read it. That Jesus could be tempted shows either a limitation of the knowledge of Satan or Jesus was not divine at that time. That Satan could deliver suggests that Satan had been given superpowers by God.

"The environment selects those few mutations that enhance survival, resulting in a series of slow transformations of one lifeform into another" - Sagan in Rusty

Yes. Plus, the quick extinction intermediaries. There should higher populations (therefore evidence)of successful species than those less fortunate individuals, who did not live to reproduce.

Rusty,

I have been through the mutation of the AIDS virus with OLO fundamentalists, yet, failed at communicating how well this stuff is known.

OLIVER/quote..<<Why not allegory;..wherein,/Genesis is allegorical?>>

because its a first-hand..reporting of fact/
by his deciples[to wit..an autobiography..specificlly about the christ/comming/returning..with the new-rules

redeeming..man-kind..from sin...
confirming..he died..and overcame..death...[revealing there is no judgment-day...

and reserection..from death..is instantaniously achieved...

further/ that we may/know..good/god..one to one..
ie as a personal/living/loving good..simply by loving neighbour..and knowing our master/voice[love]..

and that we WILL be known..by our works

but then/so much more..than mere alli-gory..[eli-gory...get it?]

<<as I read it..That Jesus/could be tempted>>
reveals..he/is..huh-man..
[to wit..that ye see me-do/..YEA../..ye..will do greater..!..]


<<"The environment selects>>>lol..lets..go the full/quote..lol

rusty/quote..<<Regarding mutations:.."The environment/selects>>lol..

thats so funny/so he-is talking about some...'inteli-gent''design'..mech-anism..lol..?

an/inteligent/..EN-viron-meant[lol]..'selecting..<<those/few mutations..that enhance..survival>>...

even that is so/loose...for one/claiming...lol..science..
NOTing..NOTHing..about changing8/EVOLVING..exta[out-of]...GENUS..from the genious..lol

mutt-at-ions..enhancing..sir-vival[sir/nature]..<<..resulting in a/series..of slow transformations..of one lifeform..into another"..(pp27)>>>..lol

a clever-way of saying kids/decendants...LIKE..Their parents..
but somehow..not being..like their parents...lol

a THEORY..that NEEDS..a SERIES...of..admitted/rare..ADVANTAGIOUS/mutat-ions..lol

cant/you lot-see how dumb/that sound's..

this/from a scientist..that claims..fish[cold/blood..finned..scaled..water-rat/fish..]egglaying

EVolves..into land/walking/fured..PLACENTAL/mamal...
and only..one COLD-blood..mud skipper..in between
talk/about holes..in ya theory...delusion[sorry..principle..for them who-got..none]

<<"the secrets/of evolution..are death and time>>>ok death..thats easy...as a secret..its a dead-end...lol

[but clever word-play...lol]

and time...as revealed/previously..is relitive
[subject/to relitivity..but]
as MANY-fold..UN-MUTATED..off-spring..that still survive...TODAY..affirms...deciete...fully/decietfull

[they/..are unchanged..]..
despite..millions..of earth-YEARS..in time...

lol..[this is a/learning..lol..what a joke]

<<the deaths of/enormous numbers..of lifeforms..
that were imperfectly adapted/to their environment>>>
are/not even WITNESSED..in any fossil layer...lol...

[some that/are/..have been REVEALED=fraud..as previously posted]

<<..and time/for a long succession..of small mutations>>>
ALL WITHIN..their INHERANT/parental GENUS/family/groups..etc..
[ie kind..after their-own-kind]

<<that were/by accident adaptive,>>funny..just-at..the beginning..[nature..inteligently/did-it]
..now its time..what/done..it...lol

<<time-for/the slow accumulation..of.favourable-mutations">>to be re-absorbed..under the inherant.genus-mean..
[ie return..to the parental/wild-type]

SAD..you lot cant see..the delusions..for the/spin

so lets/try..here we/have..a bacteria...now one..grows/legs
but cant breed..with the drunken/leg=less..bacteria[scum]..so DIES

but over-time..it lives..lol

wow..you lot..are more clever/than god
wise..in your own..and each-others..eyes...
igno-rants/adoring-fools...being rebuked..by a bigger-fool

[let them/have their delusions..johan]
well..i been told...lol

time..you told..the truth..ya got a principle/theory..not a science

rusty/quote..<<..time/for..the_slow/accumulation..of..lol..favourable-mutations"..(pp30)..>>

im still-struck..by/..the absurdity
ALL..WOULD NEED/BE..FAVOURABLE...
and that/isnt...how..mutations...work

its like..mountain/clim-bing
first;..stabelise..your foot-hold..[mutation]

...then evolve..it...the next...step..
meaning..there/must-be..millions..of transitionals..YET..THERE AINT..!


<<Since Dan/is,such..a great-respecter>>..yes..he is
i like..how/he..practices..turning the..other-cheek..re/your insult

<<I will,..of/course,..expect him..lol..to..start/future-posts..with acknowledgement..lol..of Sagan's-views..as..lol..defining of/his own,>>>..says;..the professing..dr...professing/zip..lol

how dare..you utter/bland..statements/miss-representing..him...
worse..miss-representing..what/he..has plainly..said

CLEARLY..you/have issues..<<I believe/that Dan..has grossly..and purposfully..misrepresented/the views..of Carl/Sagan..as..they/relate to..biological-evolution>>>

and as/my..previous-posts..POINT-out...
YOU GOT-NO..CLUE..what/he is..saying...!

<<I don't believe/you represent thoughtful-christians,>>

I DONT/BELIEVE..YOUR..REPRESENTING*..THE TRUE/SCIENTIST..[check]

you/clearly got..nuthing..[mate]

but you..rant/on..lol..<<nor/are..your trivial-views..deserving/of consideration..by..our8..lol..society>>>

what..missoginist/society..would that be?
...does it/have..peers..that..think/for you?.

oliver/quote...<<..segmentation/present..among theists.>>
mate..thats not/your call

lets..talk-about..the divisions..of/..A-thiests...
have them/stand-up..and-be..counted..
BY REPLICATING..evolution..out-of..genus..

EVEN_JUST..one/of ya
BUT..it's..a fools/errand
pure/delusion..{certainly,...not science}

<<Some are/willing..to accept/what science..has shown>>>
and some..make claims..[with..unclean-lips..with/words..they/cant..PROVE..!

but lets/look..at what..your claiming..as EVIDENCE..
those..having faith..not fact,

some/even BELIEVE..jesus/the SON..to be..THE FATHER
[when he CLEARLY/refutes this..many times]

your welcome to those..

but dont-be..thinking..that faith..in ya..theory*..prove's..bucKiss

<<In this/frame,>>>i would call-it..a box..or a trap

but lets..hear/you-out

<<it would-seem/..that Believers..hold their scriptures..differently:..I feel..this-thread..has shown/that.>>

OK..THAT VALIDATES..EVOLUTION..?
[exta/..[out-of]..genus,..,EGSACTLY..HOW?

lol

<<Another thrust/to..the thread,..would-be..the idea/of..a creation-agent..that is/not..classical..physics,..yet..not/a god.>>

yes..you must/attract..athiest's
..to your neo[new]..cause..[belief..system]

<<Of course,..here,/..I refer to QM/and..physics..lol..not/known us...>>at this time?

as/revealed..vile..gets into..the quantum
thats how..{the spirit}..activates..the grey-streak
that molds..the life-form..from the cell/button

,,our science/does-not know..everything..
and perhaps..never will.>>

SORRY ABOUT LOOSING..YOUR QUARTZ/WATCH..analogy

<<However,..amazing-discoveries,..as cited throughout OLO,..do challenge the idea/of..a divine inventor.>>>

YOU/CLEARLY..GOT NO/idea..how the brain/makes sense/logic..
out of the inputs..living puts in

[not enough-space/left..to educate..you]

i will refer..to the concious/unconcious..parts of
the recieving organ[the brain]..then advise you to read..swedenberg..[there is a link up there/somewhere}

<<George and I..think more alike,>>
<<than say George..and you and OUG.>>

jesus revealed..for us/to rejoice..in our differences

god gives/each..thier..own face,,...
and life..choices..[life-experiences]

<<To-where..does the fundamentalist/move,..should particle-physics finally/explain..the origin of/the universe>>

it wont..please supply/proof..
WHEN YOU GOT IT...lol

<<and biology/plus QM..explain life?>>
dream-on..you..are allready rejecting..half/the evidence

<<Someone like our..friend/George..can say reality..is all the dimensions + 1, where +1 is God,>>

lets help george

GOD IS..logic/sustaining..life..into love
via the light...emaunuel..god/..with-in us all]

so the..reply..[god=L..to the power/of 8}on its side]

plus..the 9 formal dimentions...11 actual
times..the lives..he is sustaining..to...live...[8..on its side]

do the math..the answer..isnt/in numbers
nor words

Dear OUG,

The OT was occasionally re-written over the centuries. Even in the Dead Sea scroll period there re-writes. Relatedly, if Adam and Eve were the only humans how could have the disciplines neen around to act as scribes as you suggest.

Moreover, if one looks at scripture more generally: Summerian scripture would suggest dates earlier than the Bible, based the longevity its characters. Even more so than the early OT folk.

I have never been able to gain traction on what you are saying about "genus" despite your many posts. Its a classifier under a taxonomy not something organic.

Hi Dan,

What do think of Christians who don't take the Bible literally? Your theists counsins, whom see the Bible as an inspired, yet, ahistorical work.

On what basis, do your felloews reject clear evidence? Satan playing with scientific instruments and lab results?

oliver/quote..<<..The OT /was..occasionally/re-written..over-the..centuries.>>
thus jesus/came..to DELIVER..the new-covenant

and..rebut/a few..LIES
to/wit..this res-erction/day
and/to advise..no..priest's/intersessor,..needed

know/god..one to one/via-love...of/neighbour..

who/cares..about-the..old/test-i-meant...
its/simply...a-historical/record..that helps..to..clarify..understanding..about jesus

to wit/4000/5000...'eating/all..they wished'..was at/that-time..impossable..without..the RITE..of washing/of hands..

to wit..no/handwash..jars..no/eating..[no-one..'wished'..to-eat]

ditto..the/wedding..mirror-call..[toilet-water..into wine]..lol
no-one..would/drink..the best wine..from a toilet..!

thus/the..servants..served..the masters/best..wine
[so..they..and him...didnt..loose/face

[jesus/said..who will..lead/you...shall..SERVE-you]
only/a servant..can grasp..much..of/what/jesus..reveals

<<if..Adam and Eve/were..the only/humans..how-could-have..the disciplines/been around..to act/as..scribes>>..quite/simply

we have..long..had..the ability..to talk
it was/..told/retold..till...finally..put into/word
[just like/the koran..was-by..voice..till it..got/written-down]

a talent...unique...ammoung..our species..!

none..of the 9..other../human-like..races..in the other..'earths'..
can comprehend..imagry..put..into/word..
[a gift..we share..with/the..angels]

<<Summerian/scripture..would suggest/dates..earlier..than the Bible>>>so what..it..is a story..of the beginings...lol..

thus..we need-to..get back-to..the earliest..times...some-how

and..as/you-say..there is..simularity/simultude..that/was..copied..by the abraham-ic..tribes.and corrupted...as their..works/deeds..have revealed

<<I have never/been-able/to..gain traction..on what/you..are saying about.."genus"..Its/a..classifier..under.taxonomy..not something organic.>>

yes its/a descriptive..terminoligy..
that-was..claimed..by evolution...
[afterall..taxonimy..IS a REAL/science..lol]

its little-wonder..those IGNORANT..of/the TRUE-measures..of science..now../decry-it..
as it..[along..with mendelism...completly-rebuts..their THEORY]

never/the-less..taxonimy...IS/a..REAL-science
where-as..EVOLUTION..out-of genus..is..a THEORY

scientific..classification...has/been..arround..for a/very..long-time..as you/should...know...by/now.

to make..absurd/claim..it is/not..applicable..in biology..is to/be blind..by deliberate/deliberated-intent..

simply/for..the sake/of..making a very-weak..rebuttal..of the/fact..you..got/no..other/facts..to sustain..ya theory

<<What..do/u/think..of Christians..who/don't take..the Bible literally..?>>

as/being..closer to god-ism..than man-ism..
noting men/wrote the bible..based on..[in/many..cases]..fear and elitism...

[note how..El-ite..even/hides..gods-name..with-in..itself]..EL
[my god=ELI]

<<On/what..basis,..do your/fellows..reject clear-evidence?>>>what..evi-dense?

by..fear/hate/envey../lazieness/..believing lies..guilty-concious..love/of..the vile..there are..so many names/lables..judgment-calls..to divide-us

LETS..SEEK_OUT..reasons,...to love?
not..name-call

but its/not..about name-calling..
its about belief...as long as we believe,...something..
in the next-life..its a basis..to the truths/goods/loves..grace/mercy..of god


is..<<Satan playing./with scientific-instruments[tools/fools[yes]..and lab results?>>..no

you..judge/gods..most favoured/beloved..angel[wrongly]...

satan/"made_me..do/it"..is a long-ago..rebutted excuse

think-you..that/he..would bother/with the affairs..of men..allready entrenched..in evil?...of their..own-will/works..

men fool themselves

see oliver..in/the..next-realm...emotions..are energy

when we emote/anger/...demons..come and feed-off..our anger..
in fact..many..now/have an open-channel..direct..into/the mind..of those..who let their-guards..down..and submitted/to emiting..anger-energy

and/..the demons..thus admitted..into..our very..inner/sanctum[mind]..
now..bombard-us..with yet more/negativity/..via..negative/imagry..to suck-out..yet-more..angry-power...that..to/them=[energy]

thinking..but..a single..loving thought..
would drive/them ..away
for true-evil..has no/power..over true/good

yet/who..has told-you..of this..your parents?..
your professors..?

your.wife..or your..kids..
no-one

such is..that/which..believing-lies...leads-us/to..ie..earns/us

ever-more/lies

well enough..of lies..!

time/to demand..the truth
time/to live..the love

GIVE..grace/mercy..not lead..us into...angry/temptations
and stop/watering-down...adulterating..gods...good