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Religion and science: respecting the differences : Comments

By Michael Zimmerman, published 31/5/2010

The teachings of most mainstream religions are consistent with evolution.

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I dont know why you keep on debating me? If man-kind dont see what we are doing with this planet, just go, and please go with your so-called best intentions, but we will be ...... you.

As you are.

ttm
Posted by think than move, Saturday, 28 August 2010 3:29:39 AM
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oliver..i have previously described...how god=god..but lets try again

god is the unity...the total..of all light/love/logic/law/life

you and i am part..of..the godhead..just like our computers..are part of the world/wide-web...just like our computers work..because of the electrical grid...just like the computers interlink..to be more than mere computers

i know its difficult..for some to grasp..that god..is the atonement[at-one-meant]..of all living all loving all good etc..as well as its in-verse...it is at this level..we get to the quantum

it is at the unity..of the godhead..we do amasing things...in the oneness..we are free of material..free of time...think of it in this way..creation..is a learning/confirming aid

as we divide/draw appart..the big bang expands
as we draw closer..the big bang contracts

science/informs us..that we began with a bang..what was a unity[at-one-ment]...divided as the angels/fell from the heavens...there are clues..

[this is satans realm..but when satan..and half the angels,,,fell..into matter..it/they/we..disconected from the oneness..and created the sepperations..we now think to be all there is

its hard to convey the imagry...to those so fixed..in their deneyal..but i will try..to explain to the blind..that of the light

see that just as electricity..has a flow...flowing from negative/to positive..[again here science got it wrong]..so to is the flow of gravity...and many of the other powers..suastaining life/...sustaining creation

indeed that very person..you/i think we are is a union..of influxes,..from heaven and hell...we in affect are the result..of inflow..from/both..

thus that we[in our minds chose to do with our life]..is like a judgment call...[and as long as more.of us..chose unity..more/chose to the good..then all shall be fine..but its a fine balance/point

you might have noted the vile/filling our tv/screen's..this is an indication..the dark/ignorant side of our god/good nature.is loosing the battle...[the battle is to keep..this realm]..

the heavens are untouchable..but recall this is satans/realm..for evil to do as it choses..for the at-one-ment..to confirm..its living loving good is a free-choice

but im getting lost in decribing the indescribable..to those who have no basic comprehention of even such basics as science/law..fear im laying pearl before swine...

[except we are all swine..we ALL are joined to vile..or we coundnt.have been incarnated in this realm...

continues
Posted by one under god, Saturday, 28 August 2010 8:07:01 AM
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..we are-all..swine..we ALL are joined/to vile..
or..we coundnt.have been incarnated in this realm...

we each..had to come/here..via the lower-pits/of hell...
we each..were lovingly sewn/into skins..ie our material-bodies..via the quantum..

see evil..is small...minute...then/quantum
and angels..are abouve/6 feet tall..and suns of good...light-years..wide

but/demons are migets...then..the more vile..the more material..the smaller..each of the hell/realms is...and even more so..its inhabit-ants

see..as you loose the light..you nessesarilly..
get under/the size..if the electron..emiting it

then/at the lowest level's..thats..the quantum..hell

but again..im mearly trying to/..put into words..that even science cannot concieve/let alone study..as the quantum/observations has confirmed..

anyhow..my mind imagry...says.so what..
even angels/demons dare not face..the truth...
we are all..sustained by the at-one-meant...good/god

all..from the least/to the most..
good/bad..and in-be-tween

we each/have evolved..our spirit..
to the state/..of the highest/life..of the meat/flesh..material incarnations..[one step..from the lowest..of the light-incarnations]

getting/to.the truth of the matter..is/simply..a matter of joining the dots..praying..that each/has honestly..done..their bit..in good faith..[and yes..most of us do/have]..

but in the end..we each shall know..our master/voice..
mine follows that good..to be true]..
and that hurtfull..to be partially true..
but sadly..my words/dont do justice..to the vision

but better and/worse..than i have tried/to..explain to our felow imbisiles..but we are/so taken-in..by the reality..of gods/teaching-aid..lol..we are endangering/the teaching aide.

.but never the teacher..sustaining..even..the most vile/.to live

its easy to/be forgiven..even/the most vile
but..its price..is forgiving...'others'..their vile

but..the reality..is there is only god..having very realistic/material thoughts..

that feel so real..
but in reality are only mind-fragments/figments of the oneness..our at-one-ment..created..

its said/when robots become human..lol
we are gods/mind-waifs..thinking we/re god/good..
worse..judging others/equally gods-waifs...bad..lol

its as sad..as this key-board..
thinking its..writing the words
but yet its the same /../logus..pushing our buttons
sending me/one-finger..instructions..

equally as/it sends-them..to you

but by/others..selling us a lie..ie not/god-nurture..
but/...survivalist-nature..lol
you dont even/chose..tp-see..who is/really..pushing..your-buttons

youlot..have lost your awareness..
think..material/things..lies and ecvolutionary-chance
think we are here by fluke/accident..

thus failing to see the gift..
and important part..we each are playing
on this www.game-of life

not/..www..of lie..

see what you/really..are
know/what..you have allways..been
Posted by one under god, Saturday, 28 August 2010 8:32:16 AM
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OUG,

When I did sequencing, we chemically cleaved the DNA using base-specific chemicals and ran large-format gels. Read the sequence manually. No "machine" involved.

Elsewhere I investigated DNA alkylating agents and satisfied myself that Maxam and Gilbert chose effective reagents and that various alternatives yield similarly dependable sequencing. I know these things to be facts of my own experience and I'll have your apology on that score.

Like most scientists I did a stint as lab technician before advancing. You might try it sometime.

As much discussed in many books, "Hoyle's howler" was not fully thought out.

In fact, any collection of random polypeptides or polynucleotides averaging 100 residues will contain some of catalytic capacity. Any odd milligram will contain thousands of examples and a few dozen spectacular ones. The probability is better than 1 in 10exp10 of finding an example of whatever catalytic specificity you wish to
choose. Labs interested in developing new catalysts could mail order the kit from Jack Szostak.

The definition of chemical catalysis give an inkling of why this is so. Given these facts, Ilya Prigogine's hypercycles are not so unlikely.

Another of your recurring themes, that of the static nature of genus also appears symptomatic. You are not appraising us of a key fact about biology. You *are* saying something very dull about the limitations of traditional nomenclature. Something biol students learn to take in stride. Someone fascinated merely by word games might mistake it for insight, but not someone who observes the fossils themselves.

I'm not here to make fun of you, OUG, Your fascination with aspects of language, contrasting with your seemingly-deliberate smokescreen of obfuscatory scansion and your failure to apply analytical process are the basis of my concern for you.

To your awareness, science may seem a word game like religion, but it is more than that. Your failure to distinguish this is why I think you may need help.

Can I advise you to not laugh out loud so much. I don't believe you are satisfied being mistaken for a village idiot.

Rusty
Posted by Rusty Catheter, Saturday, 28 August 2010 10:29:08 AM
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Bugsy,
I do know a rhetorical question is one not necessarily seeking an answer. But in this life you should be careful what you ask for. For when you ask for something you just might receive it.

Sorry for the typing error. I meant to say that many geneticists believe all people are descended from the same woman [not the plural, women], nicknamed Mitochondrial Eve.

I am well aware that most geneticists will not equate Mitochondrial Eve with the Biblical Eve. I already said that creationists will disagree with the majority in regard to the time era in which she was supposed to have lived. However, creationists have noted that there is nothing in genetics to clearly distinguish Mitochondrial Eve [MRCA, most recent common ancestor] from the Biblical Eve [mother of all the living] other than certain preferred time scales, which are philosophically based.

You accuse me of repeating myself. This is never my intention. My aim is to present a point of view, and answer specific questions or challenges put to that view. What I’m supposed to have repeated you’ve not made clear. The accusation of me repeating myself is especially odd considering that you’ve posted twice since my last post.

I have no problem with you gaining money from your efforts in teaching in line with the currently accepted paradigm. However, in declaring such things it weakens your arguments made against others being compromised in their motives. When you accuse others for their particular motives or bias, it could also be turned on you that you are chiefly attempting to protect your own income or industry. Arguments related to accusations of bias usually turn out to be a two-way street.
Posted by Dan S de Merengue, Saturday, 28 August 2010 12:07:53 PM
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Oliver,
Speaking of typing errors, (and I know you keep saying that you are rushed at work and are limited in your ability to reply) you need to put some of your sentences through the spellchecker before printing them or they might just not make any sense. For example, what is the last word in this phrase supposed to be?

‘Some theists could belief the scriptures to be allogical.’

You ask many questions on many topics. You recently said to OUG that you thought we were getting off the topic. Could I ask you what you think the thrust of this topic is?
Posted by Dan S de Merengue, Saturday, 28 August 2010 12:09:33 PM
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