Dear OUG,

Thanks.

Physical evidence is available of the re-writing of the OT, e.g., Dead Scrolls. My understanding is thate the various scribes are designated letters based on the writing systels and their emphasis on Elohim or Yehweh. Recalling, originally the Hebrews henotheist and the OT's main god was one of sveral gods (Cannaite Baal?).

Did these disciplimes have to take Adam and Eve's account second hand?

If Satan is playing around with telescopes, particle accelerators and biologist's experiments,why don't fundamentalists believe empirical results?

Dan,

Are you still interested in this topic?

Correction:

If Satan is NOT playing around with telescopes, particle accelerators and biologist's experiments,why don't fundamentalists believe empirical results?

Besides, if Satan is so power, God made him so (with fore knowledge) to the extent on good and bad, he is a demi-god complement (bad) to God's good. It is almost Taoist.

We really don't need the Satan myth. Look at Isaiah:

Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Like other myths the myth of the deity has changed through time. At the time that the above was written the people who wrote Isaiah apparently believed that God had created everything including evil. Isaiah 45:7 is compatible with that belief. Later God was thought as as all-good so other myths had to be created to account for evil. A more enlightened age will realise that the Bible is merely a collection of myths as we realise the stories of the Greek, Roman, Norse and other deities are myths.

However, the people of future ages will probably make their own myths which they may believe in much as today's believers believe in the myths of the Bible.

Ah, sweet mythtery of life.

im not about..defending/what relgions do..[any-of/them]
as for the..so-called holy-texts..
i read them/..only to know of god
i got science-books..encyclo-pedia..to know..his creation

[and because/you/need to take-oath..on..one/..in court..
or those..ignorantly/judging you..think..your lying]

so i read/the new-testiment..[in prison]..and found..that jesus/specificlly said..do/not..take oath..

this delusion..held by peers/who not only..make us swear-oath...in writing...on every govt/form..and in/their courts..is..the mark/of the beast..talked about/in the self-same holy-texts

so we mindless-ly...make/our mark...
whenever some..clerk..tells us to

we mindlessly/put down..our mark..on contracts
[a signed..contract..becomes a securitised instrument..
once we put our mark/upon it]..so security/traiters..can/get huge bonus-bundeling..them..together..for huge bonuses

worse..our mark..binds/us to pay..ursury..
upon..money...CREATED..
by our/signing..our mark..!

[thats why...assets,,need to keep..inflating
while..what the dollar/buys..deflates]

its such/a clever scam...
and all..foretold..in the great-plan..the new/testiment..and the old

thus...now..i know god/good/../living/loving/logical
the light/sustaining...life

thus now..i know/the wisdom..wrote..
so many years ago/are in..the main-true

i can say..i care/not how..or who..wrote..re-wrote..what

ok bacon..writ..it into anglish..but again..so what
without/words..we would only/be...ignorant-savages

words..begat...long-ago..
holding/the thoughts of dead/people
holding/that good/bad..and indifferent

parts of the/texts..are written..by homo-sexuals..are actually homo-erotic..to wit/the songs of solo-men...and again..i say so what..god gave...all freewill

we have moved..on...we are/..progressing...
and much of that..is due..to that provided..by religious-freaks...who only sought to/know..better god/..and his creation

we had..[have]..oliver-mendel...who wonderd/about..the shape of peas[wrinkled..or smooth...white flower/pink flower..he found gods-laws of mendelism]

we have charles/darwin...also well versed..in the biblical-texts
who writ..the origen of species...and the decent of man...and so much more..

he didnt write..evolution via species..into new genus..
but had he really believed that..he would-have

anyhow..im pretty much said..all i feel to say..
the rusty/needle...has nothing more to add..
dan/george...clearly have other..occupation..

all i really/have left..is you...and your interesting questions..
and david...[who i know..is a good/person]..
but sadly..he/deneys/love[good..god..some of his/..best work..
prefering to trust...fraud/..masked as science

which is the case..with so many...good/true
sadly hell..is full of them

seems when/they learn the truth..they get so bound..on the specific..decievers..who tricked them..they even follow them..to hell..

thus missing/out the good..their works...have earned

i guess its this negative..i avoid..

more than..i feel the need to corect/human foibles...
and deliberated error..masked as...lol..scientific/lol/truth

why god..cant i just..let those...
who would/be..decieved
be decieved

Dear Oliver,
Am I still interested in contributing to this topic? I’m not particularly interested in being called a liar.

You support Rusty’s comments. You encourage him to ‘keep it up’.

Do you support Rusty’s comments accusing me of being a liar?

How can two people have any civil conversation if one person thinks the other is telling lies? There would be no possible basis for conversation.

I have no problem with people disagreeing with me. That is fine. But personal attacks are something else.

Where do you stand?

Good question Dan,

How *can* parties have genuine discussion when one has evidence that the other is lying and is arguing from previously demonstrated false premises.

Are you seriously suggesting that the one sentence of sagan you quoted actually summarises his views about DNA mutations, completely in support of your position, with no clarification or qualification?

Do you dispute the accuracy of the further representative quotes I helped you with?

I believe creationists approach all such discussions from a position of bad faith and participate to demostrate this fact.

They are willing to tell any lie, the ends justify the means after all.

Rusty