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Obama accelerates, Israel graduates, the West Bank separates : Comments
By David Singer, published 19/5/2010Israel’s admission to the OECD comes at an important time as it steels itself to make further concessions to the Palestinian Authority.
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Posted by david singer, Saturday, 22 May 2010 9:59:20 AM
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David Singer, whenever Israel is exposed for what it is, the same familiar cry is shouted by rabid Jewish supporters: People who criticize Israel are Jew-haters or anti-semites! It's predictable, boring and completely untrue (but then, as history shows, Jews love playing the victim).
I note that you have not challenged any of my observations concerning Israeli cruelty, oppression, genocide, land-stealing, collective punishment, war crimes, etc, not one. This is significant! All you can do is to carp about me hating Jews which I have never said. As a lawyer, you should know that this is an allegation which is not based in fact! That Israel is an Arab-hating State is a fact. Sixty years of occupation and repression demonstrate that. That non-Jews are called Gentiles and are considered by Jews to be inferior to them is a fact. That Muslims are considered to be sub-humans by Jews is also a fact. David, I repeat again: Please seek counseling. Your unsubstantiated, unbalanced ranting demonstrates that you are clearly suffering from religious derangement and that you live in a world of make believe. Seek help while you can! Cheers. Posted by David G, Saturday, 22 May 2010 10:29:01 AM
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Israeli scientists are among world leaders in the brand new field of "regenerative medicine".
What is "regenerative medicine"? I cannot do better than to quote wikipedia. "Regenerative Medicine is the process of creating living, functional tissues to repair or replace tissue or organ function lost due to age, disease, damage, or congenital defects" See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regenerative_medicine Recently researchers at the Rambam Health Care Campus and the Technion-Israel Institute of Technology succeeded in generating human heart cells from "induced pluripotent stem cells" This needs some explanation. The human body is made up of 220 different types of cell. generally it is not possible to induce say a skin cell to become a heart muscle cell. In 2006 Shinya Yamanaka's and his team at Kyoto University, Japan showed that it is possible to induce mature cells to become "pluripotent". Pluripotent cells, like embryonic stem cells, can develop into any type of cell. It is thus in principle possible to generate new heart muscle cells from skin cells. That is exactly what the Prof. Lior Gepstein and his team at Rambam / Technion succeeded in doing. See: http://www.rambam.org.il/NR/exeres/09A30C56-25E3-4240-84D8-44D25581ECEF,frameless.htm?NRMODE=Published Using this technique it should be possible to generate replacement cells for any tissue in the body using the patient's own skin cells. Because the patient's own cells are used there is no problem with rejection. The method thus offers advantages over transplants. Posted by stevenlmeyer, Saturday, 22 May 2010 4:55:49 PM
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MIKK wrote:"Sorry Forkes I disagree.
Although I see the creation of Israel, especially the "nakba", as a heinous heinous crime against humanity it would be an almost equally heinous act to force the Israeli people to leave now. You are entitled to disagree, but I am entitled to ask "why?" Amongst the options I mentioned were some that do not seem particularly onerous, so in what way are they heinous? "The criminals who planned and carried out the terrorism and dispossession leading to the formation of Israel are either long dead or extremely elderly now and you cannot punish the son for the sins of the father, as it were. Many evil crimes have been committed in the past and gone unpunished. We cannot continually revisit the past looking for people to punish." Agreed. By themselves, crimes of the past might not be sufficient grounds for dismantling Israel. But that supposes that Israel in recent times has been well behaved, reasonable, willing to live in peace with all its neighbours and to compensate all the survivours of its atrocities from the past. Israel has never been like that for as long as I can remember... in fact it continues almost daily to add to the tally of troubles it has caused the world. For example it is currently leading the USA and other world powers to bully Iran over alleged nuclear violations that Israel itself does not observe. Another major war is likely to result from this brinksmanship. The only way I can see of stopping it is to dismantle Israel. The only way I can see Palestinians ever obtaining justice is to dismantle Israel. (Continued...) Posted by Forkes, Saturday, 22 May 2010 10:01:30 PM
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Continuation...
"The reality is that Israel exists and should be excepted. Within its fair and reasonable recognised borders of course." Unfortunately, Israel has a long history of continually trying to expand its borders. If Israel was such a big and well entrenched country that dismantling it would be impractical I would not propose dismantling it. But the fact is that Israel is still small enough to be dismantled. We agree that establishing it was a big mistake. We can save the world untold ongoing strife by dismantling it before it gets further out of hand. The reality is that Israel exists but should not be allowed to go on the way it is forever. Posted by Forkes, Saturday, 22 May 2010 10:02:25 PM
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Forkes, you wrote:
"The reality is that Israel exists but should not be allowed to go on the way it is forever" I couldn't agree with you more: Israel must change its ways. However, my question was about the PEOPLE living there and I am yet to receive a more compassionate response from you as I received from Mikk. I thank you for your honesty in your former response: "If they were applied selectively to some Australians we would certainly have a better country!" I assume that "some" does not include yourself or your family, but rather those you dislike. How would you feel if, for example, your parents were forced to either: 1. Give up their family home (and live where?) and subject themselves to an Islamic regime, which may perhaps be merciful enough to allow them (being considered infidels) to live. 2. Be lucky enough to find friends or family overseas that are willing to sponsor them and able to convince their government to allow them in. But oh, what if they are too old and frail to travel? 3. In their mature age, instead of being given a rest, join a bunch of fanatics that are looking to create a new country from scratch, even while your parents have little in common with those fanatics. ? I wonder whether you are willing to have your dog treated this way. As for your fantasy about Jews controlling the world, having enough money to buy a country or migrate wherever they want, etc. I believe it to be false, but hey, I am not concerned about it because I am now discussing REAL people, not Jews in general, and even had your claims been correct, that would in no way imply that ordinary Israelis have a share in that Jewish-control. If indeed Jews had such powers, then instead of helping the world, your suggestions would actually grant more power to a few corrupt Jewish leaders, while forcing ordinary Israelis (which already suffer from this madness) to submit further into the mercy of such madmen. Is that what you want? Posted by Yuyutsu, Sunday, 23 May 2010 12:13:05 AM
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I agree with you entirely. Arguing with Jew haters is a complete waste of time.
However I prefer to treat every one respectfully until I can be certain they are Jews-haters.
Every one has his biases (including me) that perhaps can be amenable to change by rational discussion. Many people are misinformed as to the facts and hopefully may understand the conflict better if the facts can be explained to them.
I am more than happy to be corrected if any facts I use are shown to be wrong.
Hatred is another thing. It is ingrained and immutable, The object of such hatred is loathed and can do no right. The only way to rid the hatred is to get rid of the object of that hatred.
mikk and David G have been exposed by their own words as Jew haters.
I can now add Forkes to that list as he states:
"They could easily be accommodated by their great supporters in the USA without making much difference, considering that they seem to control the USA government, its financial institutions, and most of its media already."
Yes they can continue to wallow in their own hatred. They will receive no respect or consideration from me.
The same will apply to any others who similarly seek to publicly (strangely always anonymously) proclaim their hatred of Jews.