It is really hard to do justice to Israel's achievements in sci-tech.

In my previous post on this thread I pointed out that Israel has SEVEN universities within the ARWU Shanghai Jaio Tong University rankings. I deliberately chose a non-US ranking because I don;t think even the most rabid Jew-haters would claim China was in thrall to the Zionists.

AlphaGalileo is a EUROPEAN (NOT AMERICAN) source of news about research. Searching it for the past year, Israel gets 18 hits, Egypt 9, Syria 1 and Saudi Arabia despite its almost limitless financial resources, 1. This is obviously a very rough measure but it does indicate the sort of impact Israel has in the world of research. (Australia gets 39)

One of the hits was to announce the award of the Nobel Prize in chemistry to Venkatraman Ramakrishnan, MRC Laboratory of Molecular Biology, Cambridge,United Kingdom, Thomas A. Steitz, Yale University, New Haven, CT, USA and Ada E. Yonath, Weizmann Institute of Science, Rehovot, Israel

In 2009 Israel's exports, mostly of high tech equipment, amounted to $44.35 billion. This is greater than the COMBINED exports of Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon and Syria. (See CIA factbook)

(Australian exports: $162 bn. However these are largely commodities. There is little in the way of high tech in Australia's exports)

Right now Israeli President Shimon Peres is in China.

Quote

"Israeli President Shimon Peres met with visiting Chinese Science and Technology Minister Wan Gang on Thursday, and they vowed to enhance bilateral cooperation in science, technology and innovation.

"Sino-Israeli relations have reached remarkable achievements in recent years, Wan said, stressing the technology cooperation between the two countries."

http://china.globaltimes.cn/diplomacy/2010-05/533860.html

Israel also has strong ties with India.

See Israel & India: New Allies

http://www.brookings.edu/opinions/2008/0321_india_riedel.aspx

India is now Israel's largest arms export market. India has bought Israel's Phalcon AWACS.

Once again note that I shall not respond to Israel / Jew bashers.

FORKESy

You said:

"I am no apologist for the atrocious behaviour of modern Israel".

Ya know....I've never seen a video of Israeli parents and teachers instilling utter hatred into the minds of 3 yr olds.....Telling the poor innocent child that "Joos are evil, animals,apes" ...

Errr..but I have seen numerous vids of Arab children being so indoctrinated and brainwashed by their parents and teachers..who are actually proud of this.

I think you are failing to distinguish, in my position...apologetics for the "existance and security" of the State of Israel on the one hand, and the individual actions of particular people on the other. I've seen things done by Israeli soldiers which are clearly 'evil'.

Perhaps you could let us know your own 'foundation' position please ?

1/ Do you believe Israel has a right to exist as a sovereign state?
2/ Do you believe in a 2 state solution ?
3/ If you do, do you believe the Palestinian state should include East Jerusalem, if so, why?
4/ If not, perhaps you believe in a "one" state solution where both Israelis and Arabs have the same rights ?
5/ If you do believe 4 above, and knowing your history of human nature and politics, do you then believe that there would be a utopian era of peace and tranquility without any racial or religious conflict or at least competition?

May 2009 (PNG)
Four Chinese-owned shops in Goroka were emptied of goods and lost an undisclosed amount of cash early yesterday morning when men, women and children ran amok.
23 May 2009 ... PAPUA New Guinea is reeling from anti-Chinese riots involving tens of thousands of people.

PALESTINE (before Israel existed)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Hebron_massacre

You might do well to note that this massacre occured (as most do) on the basis of a vicious but unfounded RUMOR.

If it's that easy to trigger communal strife... maybe it's a good idea to keep them separate (and perhaps homogenous?)

David Singer, on my blog I have the following in my sidebar: <b>Argue not with fools, frauds and fanatics. Seek better companions.</b> In entering into dialogue with you I have broken my own compass point and wasted a lot of time.

You, in typical Jewish fashion, have ignored everything I've said about the sixty years of brutality and genocide carried out by the Jewish State of Israel against the Palestinians and pursued your own narrow, fanatical, pro-Jewish agenda.

And now you are arrogantly demanding that I answer your questions which are of the 'have you stopped beating your wife' variety.

With respect, could I suggest that you seek counseling. Your religious addiction is affecting your sanity.

ALGOREisRICH wrote: "Perhaps you could let us know your own 'foundation' position please ?

"1/ Do you believe Israel has a right to exist as a sovereign state?"

Not in its present location, where it has never been wanted by the vast majority of the inhabitants living in the region where Israel was established. For Israel to have a right to exist it must first find a location somewhere in the world where it is welcome, or at least not opposed. Back in the days when Israel was being established some such location could probably have been found, but now, after the world has had 60 years to observe what Israel's inhabitants are like, I would be surprised if it was welcome anywhere.

I believe this answer makes all of ALGOREisRICH's remaining questions irrelevant.

To #mikk

You state:

"Poor David G. You have fallen into the zionists trap and now he will shrilly denounce you as antisemetic. Your generalisations about jews leaves you open to it. Although I despise the jewish religion and all other religions I have learned that it is unwise to mention jews too often. The best way is to just refer to israel or isrealis or zionists."

Mikk - I suspected you were just another Jew hater dressed up as a human rights advocate. Thanks for confirming this for me.

You are entitled to your opinion - no matter how contemptible it might be. Just be honest about it.

Until that kind of blind hatred is eliminated any effort to rationally discuss with you ways of ending the conflict between Jews and Arabs remains a total waste of time.

I won't be responding to any of your comments in future other than to say they are written by a Jew-hater and should be read and understood in that context.

So Forkes, what alternative solution do you have in mind for people who happened to born in Israel? Would such a solution be fair if applied to people who happened to be born in Australia?