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Obama clarifies stance on West Bank and Gaza : Comments

By David Singer, published 4/5/2010

President Obama has signalled that he does not intend to impose his own two-state solution on Israel and the Palestinian Authority.

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Yuyutse, you make no mention of Jewish extremists, the ones who think they are entitled to walk into a country, take what they want and do what they want (including using nukes on their neighbours if they deem it necessary).

You, like many others, don't get it at all. Israel is not disorganized and weak! It has the fifth most powerful army in the world and, because of its fanatical conviction that Jews are Gods' Children, is crazy enough to start a nuclear war in a matter of weeks or months.

When Israel starts dropping nukes on Iran, will that wake the world up to the menace Israel poses?
Posted by David G, Monday, 10 May 2010 7:29:09 AM
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David G.

Sorry about not mentioning the Jewish extremists: my former post has exactly 350 words, so I couldn't add more.

Yes, those extremists are dangerous and need to be disciplined, but please draw the line between them and the state of Israel - it is not the same. Israel is weak and lacks the power to discipline them, but Obama could if he wanted.

Israel's army came perhaps 5th at some stage, but those days are gone, Israel barely survived its last war in Lebanon and Iran's power keeps growing along with its strong allies in Lebanon and Syria.

Israeli society is completely fragmented and the majority of Israelis do not hold such fanatical convictions as you mentioned, but note that if and when the Islamist militants ever win, no Israeli will be questioned about their views and be told "you are a nice guy, we shall spare your neck" (remember, the Hamas didn't even ask their Fatah brothers/rivals before shooting them or throwing them off the rooftops of Gaza).

Israel developed its nukes in the 1960's, when no settler was yet in sight and its government was socialist-Labor. It never used any, but it did serve for many years to deter Arab countries from attacking Israel. Due care is taken that no warheads fall in the hands of settlers or their supporters.

I do hope like you that Israel will never use any nukes and I have no share in any Jewish agenda, but let me tell you one thing: I have my family there, and if their life is badly threatened, I will support the use of whatever is necessary to save their lives, including nuclear weapons.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Monday, 10 May 2010 11:45:52 AM
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Yuyutsu, thanks for your courteous comment and your truthfulness about where you're coming from. Also I appreciate the fact that you admit that Israel has problems. It has problems not only among settlers but also in the Knesset where extremists have great influence.

The situation whereby Israel has indicated it will nuke Iran even though it doesn't have nuclear weapons worries the hell out of me. Once the nukes start falling, Iran will rightfully retaliate and then warmongering America will join in and the dominoes will start falling.

If I were you, I'd get my family our of Israel while there's time.
Posted by David G, Monday, 10 May 2010 12:09:25 PM
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Why do you want to know who we are mr singer? Why do you want to know our occupations? What purpose would it serve? Do you think I am somehow not real? Do you want to hurt me? Would I get death threats/stalked if I did reveal my identity? What is to stop me giving a false/stolen identity?
I do not trust you singer or the people you identify with. The evidence is vast and impossible to miss. Israel murders its enemies regularly. Mossad are killers as is the Israeli military and parliament. Stolen passports, Assassination, poisonings, espionage. It is all par for the course for the Israelis.
Proud of your people singer?
Posted by mikk, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 4:59:35 PM
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Is anyone prepared to discuss my proposal to divide sovereignty of the West Bank between Israel and Jordan?

Does anyone have a better proposal?

David G had two ideas that he appears to have dropped like a hot potato and was not prepared to argue for
Posted by david singer, Thursday, 13 May 2010 8:58:55 PM
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"Is anyone prepared to discuss my proposal to divide sovereignty of the West Bank between Israel and Jordan?"

Why ask us? Ask Jordan!

The "West Bank" received its name from being part of the Jordanian kingdom in the first place, the part of the country that is on the west side of the Jordan river, but the latest thing the clever Jordanian king said about the subject, is that they are not willing to have anything to do with it ever again.

Having mentioned hot potatoes, I believe that Israel should have demanded Jordan to take back the West Bank, the whole lot, as part of their historical peace-treaty, but alas, now it is too late. Of course, if Jordan ever changes its mind I will throw my hat up in the air, or perhaps Obama could somehow persuade/bribe them?

As for "a better proposal" - the question is, better for whom?

The West Bank is currently a military zone, taken in a legitimate defensive war in 1967, but even the Israeli government at the time declared that it will be returned in exchange for peace. According to the Geneva convention, Israel has full rights to keep holding this occupied territory for its security, but no right to settle its civilians there. I already made my proposal accordingly (which I guess you don't like), that Israel withdraws all its civilians from the West Bank and only keeps there its army to patrol and do whatever is needed to secure the safety of Israelis inside Israel.

I am happy to hear about other proposals you may have, based on the following two principles:

1. The security of Israelis is paramount.
2. The West Bank does not belong to Israel.

That could include for example a UN/international force, Jordanian involvement, security measures, or perhaps something more creative?
Posted by Yuyutsu, Thursday, 13 May 2010 10:11:20 PM
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