David S., using Jewish logic, Christians and Muslims also have a legitimate claim to all of Palestine. They too could present ancient manuscripts and prophets to support their claims.

For anyone to claim land based upon what may have happened 2,000 years ago when superstition was rife is ridiculous and defies commonsense. And that one group claims the land is theirs is even more ridiculous.

A fair solution (if anachronistic religion has to play a part) would be to divide the whole area of Palestine into three equal parts: one for Christians, one for Palestinian Muslims and one for Jews with all of the parts meeting in Jerusalem which would be shared.

Now, as a lawyer, a man who works for justice, surely you would be in agreement with this solution.

To DavidG

I looked at the Desert Peace site. It seems a reasonable site that excludes people like yourself from writing utter rubbish and expecting to get it automatically published.

You said the site was run by "an American Jew"

I couldn't find any reference to his name on the site or that he was Jewish. Can you fill me in on who he is?

Of course my plan to divide sovereignty of the West Bank between Jordan and Israel is designed to end the problems highlighted on the Desert Peace site - problems which you seem more interested in seeing continued rather than ended.

It didn't take you long to abandon your first solution - sending the Jews to Jordan or America.

Your second solution - dividing Israel, the West Bank and Gaza equally between Jews, Christians and Moslems - is just as zany.

Who do you suggest negotiate for the Christians - the Pope? the Archbishop of Canterbury? The Greek Orthodox Patriarch

How many hundreds of thousands of Jews and Muslims will have to be relocated to achieve your solution?

How many light years will these negotiations have to take?

Have you got another solution that might have any chance of being adopted?

Your continued deprecation of Jews - and now Christians and Moslems - highlights your hatred and revulsion of all three religions.
This is not enlightenment - it is hatred and bigotry of the worst and most insidious kind.

Pity that your not prepared to remove the cloak of anonymity. Why don't you tell us your real name and what you do for a living?
Mikk - why don't you do likewise?

David S., you really are a confused person.

You condemn what you see as ad hominem attacks on yourself while you dish them out in abundance. You create straw men galore by deliberately taking things out of context or exaggerating them then attack them with pompous hostility.

Look, I understand your confusion as, once, I was a believer myself. I know what it does to a person's mind, to their view of the world, to their behavior towards others. The promise of that reward after death sucks people in, doesn't it? And I also understand how your mind works because, once, I was married to a lawyer and mixed with them frequently. From bitter experience, I know they are very untrustworthy people!

Sadly, David, there is no reward after death only a box in the ground or a few ashes in a bottle. And, if you are lucky, a few people might remember you for a few years.

P.S. I use a pseudonym because I fear for myself and my family. My fear is based upon what happens to those who speak out strongly against the forces of religion and imperialism.

To David G

Fine remain the coward you obviously are.

Just answer two questions:

1. How do you know the person running Desert Peace is "an American Jew"?

2. Can you give me his name?

David S., a man who speaks out against the brutality of the Jewish State, given the notoriety of Mossad, is no coward.

And neither is one who speaks out against the fraud that all religion is or the horror that American imperialism is, or the evil effects of capitalism and greed, etc.

It's easy for an Israeli-apologist like yourself to spread your lies because most people don't know what Israel does and/or don't care.

They might wake up when Israel nukes Iran but, by then, it will be too late. As I've said repeatedly, a handful of racist, anachronistic religious fanatics in nuclear-armed Israel could bring about the end of the world. Soon.

What a waste!

P.S. If you want information about Desert Peace could I suggest you email them. Ask about Steve, its founder.

If indeed what David Singer writes is true and Obama is not going to impose a solution, then this is a sad reason to mourn for the people of Israel as it may be one of their last chances to survive.

David makes the irrational and euphoric assumption (likely based on religious dogma) that Israel is invincible, hence all that is left to discuss is an historical/moral question. Others in this forum seem to implicitly agree with him that Israel is in a position to do whatever it wants (while only their public-opinion may be in the way).

Actually, Israel is struggling bitterly to survive, it is much weaker than the legends surrounding it, and had it not possessed nuclear weapons, David G and Mikk, than every man, woman and child in Israel would have been slain decades ago. With nuclear Iran, this advantage is about to be lost and the danger to the lives of every Israeli (regardless of their beliefs, if any) becomes more imminent.

Israel cannot afford to give the West-Bank away, not because of the bible or other grandiose ideas, but because that would bring short-range missiles straight into Tel-Aviv and every other spot in Israel, blockading its only airport and completely shutting down its economy. However, stopping the missiles is a military pursuit and does not justify the presence of Israeli citizens beyond Israel's borders. A firm border on the 1967 line, with only the military patrolling behind it as security demands, along with the complete cessation of Jewish-settler provocations, should provide Palestinians with a viable and continuous autonomy, with more to lose for terrorist actions.

While peace is not possible due to the nature, expectations and prevalence of Islamic extremists on the Palestinian side, it is still possible and important to decrease the frustration, desperation and poverty of ordinary Palestinians, gradually driving them away from those extremists.

As Israel is paralyzed and unable to act in its own good due to internal divisions and weaknesses, if indeed Obama's "commitment to Israel’s security is unshakeable" then a forced solution is in his line of duty.