# mikk

Your solution has been demanded for the last 43 years by the Arab League, been sought for the last 18 years in negotiations between Israel and the PA - and has got nowhere despite attempts by the United States, Russia, the European Union and the United Nations - the Quartet - for the last 7 years to bring it about.

You can keep shouting from the rooftops as long as you like. Your proposal is incapable of resolution. The parties cannot agree on the terms to bring about such a solution. Another circuit breaker is needed.

#Yuyutsu

What evidence do you have that Jordan "treated the "locals" as second class citizens?"

They were Jordanian citizens with Jordanian passports and the Jordanian educational curriculum and justice system applied in West Bank schools.

The West Bank and the East Bank were unified as a result of a parliamentary decision in 1950 in which an equal number of representatives from each side of the River was present.

There was no time bomb then. Everything was fine from 1950 until Jordan lost the West Bank in 1967.

Sorry the 1949 armistice lines are not recognized internationally. That's why Resolution 242 was passed.

On what basis do you claim "the 1922 document was aimed at helping Jewish refugees" That 1922 document was the unanimous resolution of the League of Nations approving the reconstitution of the Jewish National Home in Palestine. That document by virtue of Article 80 of the UN Charter is as meaningful today as when it was approved in 1922.

Whilst the West Bank remains under no one's sovereignty Jews will continue to legally settle there under the 1922 document and Article 80. Why shouldn't they be entitled to exercise that right? It may be an obstacle to peace - so make peace quickly.

That is why a solution is urgently required - to resolve conflict. As part of the resolution some - or all - may have to leave. In the absence of an agreed resolution that will not peacefully happen.

<<You can keep shouting from the rooftops as long as you like. Your proposal is incapable of resolution. Israel cannot agree on the terms to bring about such a solution. Another circuit breaker is needed.>>

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David,

I'll need to get back to you on the subject of treatment of West-Bankers by Jordan, which I only know about by hearsay (perhaps others here could contribute their knowledge). Regardless, if Jordan is unwilling to accept them, for whatever reason, than that's it and it's not proper to try to twist your friend's arm.

Had the UN believed that Israel's borders are not good enough, where have they been between 1949 and 1967? (1956 in particular). Surely they had enough time to draft an appropriate resolution. No, resolution 242 only came later as an attempt to fix new problems arising from the 1967 war.

The 1922 document culminated in the formation of Israel. Conditions were very different 88 years ago and it is quite certain that no resolution of the sort could be reached in the UN today. Moreover, you keep picking only the [long-dried] cherries of this resolution without accepting its less-pleasant articles. Moreover, the 1922 document was also terminated due to the fact that the West-Bank had sovereignty in 1948. That this soverignty was later lost is a whole new matter.

"so make peace quickly", what a joke!

You know and I know that the Palestinians (as a whole, they can be nice as individuals) are incapable of living in peace with Israel (not even among themselves actually). This is why you allow yourself to cynically request a peaceful resolution: you simply know that it will not happen!

I claim however, that their crimes do not justify your crimes (and vice-versa), that just because some of them are ugly does not justify your acting like a greedy pig, hungry for any piece of land you can possibly grab, looking under the microscope for any dubious legal shard to justify such behaviour.

You have a homeland already, very prosperous as you mentioned in your other article, Jews are no longer refugees, nowhere, but somehow it seems never enough! What are you looking for then? world-dominance? A Jewish Messiah to come and subdue all other countries? Are you trying to convince us that your humble desires are reasonable?

# Yuyutsu

I fear we are now getting to the nub of your views when you state:

"I claim however, that their crimes do not justify your crimes (and vice-versa), that just because some of them are ugly does not justify your acting like a greedy pig, hungry for any piece of land you can possibly grab, looking under the microscope for any dubious legal shard to justify such behaviour."

The West Bank is about one twelfth of the area of Tasmania. Israel offered to cede sovereignty in more than 90% of that territory in 2000 and 2008. Its offer has been rejected. Israel unilaterally evacuated Gaza in 2005 (so sovereignty still is undetermined there).

Is that what you call "acting like a greedy pig hungry for any piece of land you can grab"?

You continue:

"Jews are no longer refugees, nowhere, but somehow it seems never enough! What are you looking for then? world-dominance? A Jewish Messiah to come and subdue all other countries? Are you trying to convince us that your humble desires are reasonable?"

Given this concluding statement it is clear that you are just another Jew hater disguised as a concerned human rights advocate. What you really seek is the final solution for the Jewish people that Hitler failed to achieve.

You are entitled to your opinion - as contemptible as it is - but at least be honest about it.

In the circumstances dealing with the rest of your response is a waste of time.

How refreshing, David:

A concerned human-rights advocate who supports Israel retaining its nuclear weapons...
A Jew-Hater who supports Israel sending its armed forces beyond its borders to whatever extent is required to maintain its security...

Perhaps a dog who says "Meow"?

What's wrong with seeking "the final solution for the Jewish people"? it all just depends on its contents:

Hitler's final solution is the gas chambers.
Your final solution is a Jewish Messiah ruling over the whole world.

My final solution is a safe, healthy and thriving Israel, within its 1949-1967 borders, a respectable and exemplary member of the international community, free from any oudated religious-supremacist constraints.