David the vehemence of my comments reflects the disgust I feel at your selfserving, disingenuous,biased,religion driven,bigoted, warmongering propaganda.

I did get a good laugh from this bit though
"rather than wasting your energy raking over the old coals and old solutions that have not - and will not - be accepted by the parties to the conflict."
Exactly what you do every time you mention Jordan.

Not to mention your use of 2000 year old names and your resultant justifications that are spurious in the extreme. 2000 years? So what about the Canaanites? They were there before the jews. They were massacred by the jews in one of the most heinous acts your god ever committed. Why isnt it the land of Canaan?

All this ancient history has absolutely no bearing and is just one more in a long line of well practiced Israeli smokescreens. The idea that something that happened 2000 years ago is more important than more recent events is frankly creepy and deluded and makes me wonder where you lot stand on Aboriginal land rights and such. After all if it is good enough for the jews after 2000 years surely you must support restitution of aboriginal lands after only 200 years?

The arab leagues exact words are
"Establish normal relations with Israel within the framework of this comprehensive peace." Normal relations. Peace treaty. What more do you want? Why should they recognise your religious beliefs? Do you recognise theirs? Do you recognise Iran as an Islamic republic? Saudi Arabia? Did you recognise the Taliban? Do you wish Egypt was run by the Islamists? Get religion out of your state affairs and there will be a lot less conflict.

The solution to change the status quo is for Israel to get back to its internationally recognised and accepted, I wont say borders because I know you people have an aversion to that word, cease fire lines and stop oppressing the peoples of Palestine and Gaza. And the rest of your neighbors too for that matter. Signing up to the nuclear regulatory system would be good too.

# David G

You must have experienced never ending bouts of sickness dealing with Jewish propaganda over the last decade. Maybe the way to get rid of your sickness is to take up another interest.

You are not the first - and certainly not the last - to want to rid the world of the Jewish people. It is fascinating how 1% of the world's population continue to elicit a response such as yours.

Amazingly the resilience and resourcefulness of that small group continue to resist haters such as you as they make major contributions to humanity in the fields of science,medicine, and technology - to mention a few areas - in numbers far beyond their proportion of the world population.

Why can't you just let them live in peace in a part of their biblical and ancestral homeland returned to them under the League of Nations Mandate and article 80 of the UN Charter - instead of wanting to wipe them out?

Bury your hatred and free yourself of this sickness.

# To mikk

Jordan happens to comprise 77% of former Palestine - whilst Israel comprises 17% and the West Bank and Gaza make up the remaining 6%. Jordan was the last Arab State to occupy the West Bank between 1948-1967 and Egypt the last Arab State to occupy Gaza between 1948-1967.

These are historical and geographical facts and must in my opinion form the building blocks for any settlement of the conflict.

The "2000 years old names" were used by Britain and the League of Nations prior to the 1948 War. You can call the territory what you will. So can others. Just be aware of the reason for the change.

I thought restitution of Aboriginal lands and compensation had been going on for decades. Have you heard of the Mabo case?

So the Saudi Peace Plan does not contain the phrase "reconstitution of the Jewish National Home". Just admit it.

Yes - the Jews did a Lazarus and came back to reclaim their country. What's more the international community agreed that they were entitled to do so - whilst at the same time giving the Arabs the remaining 99.999% of the Ottoman Empire within which to exercise their own self-determination. Seems like a very fair split to me from the Arab perspective.

Does the whole world have to suffer the Arabs continuing desire to swallow the remaining 0.001%?

Your solution - that Israel return to the 1967 armistice lines - is not going to happen as UN Security Resolution 242 makes clear. The Arabs have been demanding your solution for the last 43 years. If the Arabs and people like you were prepared to recognize international law - a solution could possibly have emerged decades ago.

It is time to try something else.

If you don't like my idea of dividing sovereignty of the West Bank and Gaza between Israel, Jordan and Egypt - then come up with another idea that we can discuss in a civilized manner.

But end playing the blame game. That will not change the status quo - only perpetuate it.

David, I have never said and neither do I think that the world should get rid of Jewish people.

All I want is for them to act in a responsible, compassionate manner, see themselves as normal human beings like the rest of us, stop occupying and oppressing the Palestinians and stealing their land, give up trying to create Greater Israel, relinquish their nuclear weapons which they acquired by stealth, stop embracing militarism, racism, nationalism, brutality, cruelty, sieges, carpet-bombing, etc.

Do you think you could arrange that?

"These are historical and geographical facts and must in my opinion form the building blocks for any settlement of the conflict."

The fact that 60 years ago there was no Israel, 100 years ago the British "owned" all of said territory, 200 years ago it was ruled by the Turks, 1000 years ago the christian crusaders were in control, 2000 years ago it was the Romans. These are also "historical and geographical facts" so why do YOUR "historical and geographical facts" matter more than these?

"Just be aware of the reason for the change."
I am well aware of why Israelis call it Judea and Samaria. Because to call it Palestine would undermine your whole position and future hopes for control of this land irrespective of what its current inhabitants want or deserve. To call it Palestine would be to acquiesce to the wishes of those evil Arabs who dont deserve anything let alone a country of their own. Why is it that Israelis decide the name of lands currently and historically inhabited by other peoples? If the people who live there wish it to be called Palestine then what justification can there possibly be for Israelis calling it Judea and Samaria?

So according to the Israel version of Mabo the local Koories can take my land and point to historical facts, ie they lived here 200 years ago, and their fairy stories, i.e. dreaming legends about this land, and that would be ok by you? And they can use extreme force to achieve and retain their reclaimed lands? They can demand that the rest of the world recognise Australia as "the home of the dreamtime peoples" and build walls and use apache helicopters and hellfire missiles to keep the inhabitants who have moved in over the past 200 years in line? What exactly is the difference. Im sure indigenous peoples across the world are interested in your answers.

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I admit the Saudi Peace Plan does not contain the phrase "reconstitution of the Jewish National Home".

Nor should it. Who are you arrogant Jews to call for such a recognition? You did not answer my question last time and I think you should justify why any other country "must" recognise Israel as any sort of religious theocracy.

Religious countries will only end in a new catastrophe of wars and destruction. Imagine it. The US alone would be riven by conflict with all the different christian sects. We have seen the results of religious hands on the tiller of state. The inquisition, witch burnings and Ireland come to mind. Not to mention the crusades and holy wars of the middle ages. There is a reason sensible and progressive countries have constitutional protections against church having any involvement in state functions. Israel will never be accepted as a modern, democratic country if it insists on this form of religious state.

UN resolution 242 does not make any such thing clear.

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