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Misunderstanding the Family Law : Comments

By Barbara Biggs, published 4/2/2010

Despite the recommendations, A-G Robert McClelland has flagged that he is reluctant to change the shared parenting laws.

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sharkfin "Because society INSTINCTIVELY knows they are not endowed with the same abilities as"

Society has instinctively known a lot of very wrong things. It's instinctively known that women were not as capable as men at managing their own lives (but could do it in a pinch) so had laws about that. It's instinctively known that gays were wrong and had laws about that. It's instinctively known that colored people were even less capable than women and had laws about that to. I think we could expand that list a long way with a little thought and research (landowners vs non-landowner, eldest son vs other siblings etc).

R0bert
Posted by R0bert, Tuesday, 9 February 2010 7:22:43 AM
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Suzeonline:"Why then did the Family Court see the need to pursue you for more maintenance?"

It didn't. If you have further questions I suggest you read back over my posts. I've gone over this so many times I'm thinking about writing an "antiseptic FAQ".

Sharkfin:"Why do women have a uterus Antiseptic? Because they were designed and programmed by nature"

Oh dear...

I suggest a read of "The Blind Watchmaker" by Richard Dawkins.

Sharkfin:"Men are biologically designed for providing"

Oh dear. See above.

Sharkfin:"Society also knows that they are sexually more of a risk around young children."

And society also knows that sexual abuse of young children is a tiny, tiny problem that affects very few people, except in some dysfunctional communities. On the other hand, emotional abuse and neglect affects quite a few children in the broad community and is nearly always done by the mother. You remember Mum, she's the one who's been "designed and programmed by nature to have and nurture children", according to you. According to the ABS and the AIHW, OTOH, a child of a single mother is about 6 times as likely as the child of a single father to suffer some form of abuse.

Apparently nature was prepared to accept some pretty shoddy work standards...

Now off you toddle and see if you can't find a man to "provide" for you, since you're apparently incapable of doing so for yourself.

cotter:"Those women with testosterone[...] are the real threat"

I agree. You lot in the hairy-legged, sensible shoe brigade have caused untold damage to gender relations to suit your own distorted agenda. May I recommend a good dose of HRT?
Posted by Antiseptic, Tuesday, 9 February 2010 8:23:11 AM
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Antiseptic. ~ “my kid's mother and I share all costs equally. We have done so for years”. But of course, she would be forced by the Court to accept a 50/50 split as that is your right under the FLA. and is enforced by the Courts. That is the law which was demanded by the FR Male Redneck groups as a means of evading Child Maintenance. The real questions are did your children want that arrangement of were they forced into it?. Does it meet their needs, wishes, and rights?. Or were they not consulted as is usual.?. What happens if they don’t want contact with you (which would not be difficult to imagine) and would rather go with their friends to a sports outing.?. Are they forced into that because otherwise you’d have to pay more.

And just for the record, I had many happy and wonderfully fulfilling years with my late partner who was a wonderful parent and partner, and our children all went on to University and all now have successful careers and families. I work 70 hours a week in my own business.

Mog an excellent summary of the issues. But of course if fathers were assessed on their prior involvement in their children’s lives and their concern for their children’s well being, before being allowed contact, then very few would be so awarded. Most are mere sperm donors and then get back to their toys as soon as they can, or hide down the garden in their sheds until they need feeding again or are totally obsessed with Footy or cricket. Children just don't interest them. Thats another reason why the FR groups are so vehemently opposing the reforrms.
Posted by ChazP, Tuesday, 9 February 2010 10:08:26 AM
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The frothing fathers will oppose any changes to compulsory child distribution on demand because it hacks into the child support outcomes and power over others. Parcelling out child shares (a) reduces child support claims on the highest earner (b) gives vengeful control freaks and child sex offenders an avenue for continued abuse of their 'property'. So it is money and power at stake and that means they will pursue every avenue of resistance.
The tirades of abuse of women on here are faint indicators of what is to come.
Posted by mog, Tuesday, 9 February 2010 10:54:23 AM
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ChazP:"she would be forced by the Court to accept a 50/50 split"

Interesting that you can't conceive of a woman acting on her own to come to that arrangement.

ChazP:"The real questions are did your children want that arrangement of were they forced into it?"

They wanted it and want it.

ChazP:"Does it meet their needs, wishes, and rights?"

Yes

ChazP:"Or were they not consulted as is usual.?."

Yes, they were and are consulted, as is usual.

ChazP:"What happens if they don’t want contact with you (which would not be difficult to imagine) and would rather go with their friends to a sports outing.?"

It may not be hard to imagine for you, dear, but you are rather good at fantasies, aren't you? The children are free to be with whichever parent they wish to be with at the time and if they have other commitments they are free to keep them. My daughter tends to spend more time at Mum's because it's a more feminine environment and she's a 13 year old girl, while my son spends more time at my place. I pick them up from school every afternoon and Mum drops them off. Because we share the costs equally, it gives the kids the opportunity to decide without their parents putting pressure on them, even unconsciously. Since the arrangements are flexible, everyone benefits, especially the kids.

ChazP:"Are they forced into that because otherwise you’d have to pay more. "

Oh dear. Do your children know you only think of them as meal-tickets?

ChazP:"I work 70 hours a week in my own business."

I guess milking the system could be called a business by some. It's obvious there's money to be made.

Were you or your "late partner" the "man"? I'm guessing it was her...
Posted by Antiseptic, Tuesday, 9 February 2010 10:56:13 AM
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Wow!. Antiseptic you are such a perfect guy and human being, (I know that because you have told me) and what possible reason would I have for disbelieving you?. It makes me wonder however why your ex-spouse ever got rid of you. But then, I suspect she may have quite a different story to tell. And my business is thriving thank you because of my commitment, perseverance and determination and the many long hours I devote to it. Probably also because I don't employ males who tend not to be reliable, and to go missing on sickies as soon as things get busy or tough, or dodge off at any opportunity to watch cricket or some other inane activity. So it is not in any way a prejudice, just dealing with the reality. But, as they say, that is a whole other story.
Posted by ChazP, Tuesday, 9 February 2010 11:30:55 AM
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