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Murder In America

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Dear o sung wu,

I feel sorry for all fighting on both sides in war. My cousin was a pilot bombing North Vietnam. He began to feel sympathy for those we were fighting. One could not resign from the army, but one can refuse promotion. He refused promotion to Lt. Colonel was eventually discharged.

In regard to Texas I think it should still be part of Mexico. In 1829 the Mexican Constitution abolished slavery. Texas residents from the United States wanted to keep slaves so they fought for independence from Mexico. Texas achieved independence and gained admittance as a state to the United States. Wanting to keep slavery Texas seceded from the United States and joined the Confederacy to fight for slavery. General Grant who fought in the Mexican War regarded it as a war of aggression against Mexico. He thought of the Civil War as punishment for US aggression against Mexico in the Mexican War. In Grant’s Memoir’s are these telling quotes.

“Soon they [the Texans} set up an independent government of their own, and war existed, between Texas and Mexico, in name from that time until 1836, when active hostilities very nearly ceased upon the capture of Santa Anna, the Mexican President. Before long, however, the same people--who with permission of Mexico had colonized Texas, and afterwards set up slavery there, and then seceded as soon as they felt strong enough to do so--offered themselves and the State to the United States, and in 1845 their offer was accepted. The occupation, separation and annexation were, from the inception of the movement to its final consummation, a conspiracy to acquire territory out of which slave states might be formed for the American Union.”

“To us it was an empire [the territory taken from Mexico] and of incalculable value; but it might have been obtained by other means. The Southern rebellion was largely the outgrowth of the Mexican war. Nations, like individuals, are punished for their transgressions. We got our punishment in the most sanguinary and expensive war of modern times.”

America's wars do not always bear close examination.
Posted by david f, Tuesday, 31 May 2022 4:45:57 PM
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Paul,
Is summery justice worse than winntery justice, or what?
Posted by Is Mise, Tuesday, 31 May 2022 4:57:51 PM
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Hi Foxy,
"Instead police are now trained to immediately enter and try to subdue the shooter."

That's not true in this instance, the cops stood outside doing nothing.
Parents who saw the cops doing nothing rally and tried to go in themselves and were tacked to the ground by the cops.
So me did make it and and rescued their kids, and also some cops went in and rescued their kids.

Sorry o sung wu, but this what I'm hearing and I told you all days ago.

If you all don't believe me, read the article yourselves.
http://www.zerohedge.com/political/go-there-distraught-parents-begged-texas-cops-enter-school-gunman-inside-hour
Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 31 May 2022 5:36:15 PM
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Do you all think I just waste my time talking shite for the sake of it?
- With no evidence to back up what I say? You must all think so.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 31 May 2022 5:41:09 PM
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Our pleasure O SUng Wu- I'm sure that politicisation of the police force was "different" in your day. Some of the self defense laws are getting a bit screwed up and the judges appear to be making weird judgements. The police often say that you shouldn't worry about talking to the police if you haven't anything to hide- lawyers will say never talk to the police- because the police don't care about the truth or fairness- they care about the number of fines and prosecutions to get a promotion. The legal system appears to be geared badly. I understand that many police have become disillusioned with the system. Sadly we need to be teaching our young- "Never talk to the police."
Posted by Canem Malum, Tuesday, 31 May 2022 6:13:38 PM
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Hi Armchair Critic,

As I said in my earlier post The Texas Tribune told us
that US Rep. Joaquin Castro has called on the FBI
on Thursday to "use their maximum authority to
investigate and provide a full report on the timeline,
the law law enforcement response, and how 21 Texans were
killed."

There's a lot of unanswered key questions.

However the newspaper does clearly state that after the
mass shooting at Colorado's Columbine High School in
1999 - law enforcement has moved away from the earlier
tactics employed of waiting during an active shooter
situation. The paper stated that police are now trained
to immediately enter and try to subdue the shooter.

Why they didn't do this in this instance in Texas - we'll
have to wait and see what the investigation and upcoming
report from the FBI will say. There are a lot of concerns
and a lot of unknowns. Hopefully answers will eventually
be provided - especially to the grieving families.
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 31 May 2022 6:41:41 PM
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