Hi Issy,

"if half of what the shooters proposed was a good idea why didn’t someone propose it as a new motion and vote it in."

Speaking with a Greens MLC at the time, the concern was the proposed Shooters legislation was in two parts but presented as one, (A) Criminal Gun Crime and (B) Relaxation of Gun Licencing laws. Part (B) was unacceptable to many not just in the Greens, I think it was David Shoebridge, now Senator Shoebridge, who led the fight against it, but many in both the Liberal and Labor parties also had great concerns about relaxation. Many MP's seen part (A) as unnecessary, as existing laws covered that area aqdicuitly. It was put to the Shooters, if they were willing to separate their proposal into two, or rework it, then part (A) would have a reasonable chance of success, part (B) was doomed. The shooter refused to amend or withdraw, and their crappy legislation was defeated, not just by the Greens, but by Liberal and Labor as well.

It was suspected from the start that the proposal was nothing more than a stunt, and the Shooters knew it was doomed to failure, but it served a political purpose; ie Shooters could forevermore bost that "Greens are soft on criminals", Shooters are "soft on gun control".

Paul,
It was a good idea because it meant that using a gun in a criminal activity would bring a harsher penalty.

How are you going on informing the NSW Authorities about your fresh information in the Edwards murders?

Got anything to say about the woman in the US who shot the gunman dead?

Hi Issy,

Nigeria, now there's a stable liberal democracy for you, with your so called "tough" gun laws that everyone respects. I know "tough" for you means not being able to keep a Howitzer in the backyard and and tank in the frontyard for random shelling of the neighborhood, but we all must make sacrifices! Even in Nigeria.

"Nigerian President, Major General Muhammadu Buhari, has placed two executive bills before the National Assembly to control arms proliferation and regulate the importation of explosives. But deeper scrutiny exposes the regime’s tactless approach and the helplessness of security forces in curbing arms and explosive smuggling into Nigeria. The biggest problem is that in many parts of the country, the Nigerian state, that's President Buhari, has lost its monopoly on the use of force.

Issy I do believe Major General Muhammadu Buhari is the leader of the Nigerian Shooters and Hooters Party, not much hooting, but a lot of shooting

Paul,
Nigeria has strict gun laws; don’t they work?

You still haven’t explained why the US, with the most guns in civilian ownership has a low murder rate.

You might also bring your wisdom to bear on why the US has a burglary rate of 527/100,000
while Australia’s is 911/100,000.

England and Wales has a rate of 617/100,000.

The two countries with the tougher gun laws have more burglaries than the US

But let us now consider the major serious crime against women:
Rape: Australia just misses out on World leadership being beaten by Botswana, but only just, their rate is 93/100,000.

Our rate is 92/100,000
The US has a rate of 27/100,000.
Australia doesn’t allow women any means of self protection whereas the US does.

'afternoon to you CANEM MALUM...

I didn't actually witness the red paint episode in person, rather I saw it on TV in the nightly news. A shocking display of disrespect, that many of these boofheads tend to show on such occasions. Still the masses of people, promptly and swiftly registered their disgust, by sending letters of protest to the various TV and Radio Stations that had carried the segment.

There are some things that should be respected and held sacred. Generally, the community at large will quickly let any interloper know, should they cross that invisible line of venerated obeisance.

Hi Issy,

Get on the wrong side of President Buhari in Nigeria and you'll soon find out how effective Nigerian gun laws can be. They will take you out the back, put you up against a well and then demonstrate how really effective their gun laws are.

What a waste of red paint, pigs blood would be more realistic.

Can anyone answer this, when a baby is run through with a bayonet do they squeal or cry? Maybe someone here knows. I wouldn't know, I never went to war.