Sadly some see kindness as weakness.

Dear o sung wu,

During the Vietnamese War we visited Underwood Prison which held men who opposed the war in Vietnam and refused to register for the draft. The meeting was set up in the prison chapel. Those who refused to register for the draft did not recognise the legitimacy of a government which was carrying on what they considered an illegal war. There was one group of prisoners who we did not meet. We did not meet with Jehovah's Witnesses whose beliefs did not allow them to enter the chapel.

You wrote of 'legitimate consciences objectors'. None of the prisoners that I did and did not meet fulfilled the classification of legitimacy. Maybe they all were craven cowards. I don't think so.

Hi DAVID F...

You know I respect you and I respect your scholarship. I don't mind a bit who attacks me as an individual, it happens and I just cop it. You'll notice STEELEREDUX and me are generally at each others throats as we're generally polar worlds apart. None the less I like the the man and though we cast a few barbs at one another, I believe him to be a fundamentally good guy.

Now PAUL1405, is an altogether different kettle fish, he likes to attack and smear a whole police force, one which has the ten largest number of sworn members in the Western World. About 15,000 sworn police officers, by far the largest in Australia. Accusing them of all manner of criminal conduct, without ever furnishing one scintilla of evidence in support of those allegations. And he's rarely ever brought to account as a result of it..

Moreover the facts his claimed, are both distorted and screwed. His latest little effort, is to accuse police of quote 'hanging a black fella' in police cells, all on the evidence of some decrepit 90 year ol' screw apparently who worked at Long Bay 'Jail' (sic) back in the day. Despite your entreaties DAVID F. I've yet to turn the screws on this pitiful 'gentleman'.

And I would like to think the moderator(s) would allow this pantomime to play itself out. Should I be barred, so be it. I submit very little to the Site these days anyway, despite my lengthy association with it. Let the games begin PAUL1405!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Palm_Island_death_in_custody
2004 Palm Island death in custody

The 2004 Palm Island death in custody incident relates to the death of an Aboriginal resident of Palm Island, Cameron Doomadgee (also known as "Mulrunji") on Friday, 19 November 2004 in a police cell.[1] The death of Mulrunji led to civic disturbances on the island and a legal, political and media sensation that continued for fourteen years.
The Attorney-General of Queensland, Kerry Shine, indicted an Australian police officer for a criminal trial for the first time since the public prosecutor's office was established. The officer, Senior Sergeant Chris Hurley, who was charged for a death in custody, was acquitted by an all-white[2] jury in June 2007. Hurley medically retired from the Gold Coast station of the Queensland Police in 2017[3] following a string of charges while serving as a police officer including assault and dangerous driving.
Police raids and behaviour following the community riot were found to have breached the Racial Discrimination Act 1975, with a record class action settlement of A$30 million awarded to victims in May 2018.
Two legal questions arose from the death; firstly, whether the taking into custody of Mulrunji was lawful, and secondly, whether the injuries that led to his death were illegally caused by the arresting officer.

Politically, this event raised questions relating to the federal government's 1987–1991 Royal Commission into Aboriginal Deaths in Custody and whether its recommendations to prevent deaths in custody had been implemented by the government.

The death of Cameron Doomadgee

Cameron Doomadgee, an Aboriginal Australian, was aged 36 when he died, at about 11:20am on Palm Island, one hour after being picked up for allegedly causing a public nuisance. Mulrunji was placed in the two-cell lockup which was the back section of the Palm Island Police Station. Fellow Palm Islander Patrick Bramwell was placed in the adjoining cell.

The arresting officer, Senior Sergeant Chris Hurley, and the Indigenous police liaison officer, Lloyd Bengaroo, were flown off the island the following Monday, after receiving death threats and Hurley's house being burned down.

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This was the 147th death of an Aboriginal person in custody since the handing down of the Royal Commission into Aboriginal Deaths in Custody.

An autopsy report by Coroner Michael Barnes was produced for the family one week after the death. It stated that Mulrunji had suffered four broken ribs, which had ruptured his liver and spleen, it also found that the body's blood alcohol content was 0.29 from a cocktail of alcohol including methylated spirits mixed with sweet cordial.[12] The family of the deceased were informed by the Coroner that the death was the result of "an intra-abdominal haemorrhage caused by a ruptured liver and portal vein".

It sure looks like Chris Hurley murdered Cameron Doomadgee or Mulrunji. Hurley never received any punishment. Read the whole article.

Dear sung you wrote: "Moreover the facts his claimed, are both distorted and screwed. His latest little effort, is to accuse police of quote 'hanging a black fella' in police cells, all on the evidence of some decrepit 90 year ol' screw apparently who worked at Long Bay 'Jail' (sic) back in the day. Despite your entreaties DAVID F. I've yet to turn the screws on this pitiful 'gentleman'."

What I cited above was not evidence of a decrepit 90 year ol' screw. Apparently Chris Hurley murdered an Aborigine and got away with it.

Hi there DAVID F...

Yes Sir, I'm well aware of the Palm Island Case. I've read the book titled; 'Gone for a Song' and yet another called the 'Tall Man' both books dealt with the Palm Island tragedy and or crime. What is it you want me to say DAVID F. In law those police concerned we cleared? So they have no case to answer. Are you saying the gentleman concerned was murdered by the police?aIf so how would you know DAVID F? Where's your evidence or is your opinion is based on heresay and a journalist's account of the tragedy?

May I ask you sir, why it is you're so strongly supporting PAUL1405? Is it a fact you support his position rather more with mine? I should remind you, DAVID F, PAUL1405's allegedly empircal evidence was from this 90 year old ex screw from Long Bay 'Jail'. Which is judicially in NSW, not in the State of Qld., where the Palm Island tragedy occurred? It's curious how we can construct all measure of facts, that suit our own narrative and belief system hey DAVID F? I'll bid you good night, Sir, in readiness of Round One, on the morrow!