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Murder In America

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The Texas Tribune tells us that US Rep. Joaquin Castro
has called on the FBI on Thursday to "use their maximum
authority to investigate and provide a full report on
the timeline, the law enforcement response and how 21
Texans were killed."

Of course there are a lot of key questions left unanswered
starting with why a school door may have been left
unlocked as well as the long gap between the time police
arrived on the scene and the time the gunman was taken down.

There are a lot of concerns and a lot of unknowns
including whether the training and tactics the local
law enforcement officers had been given were current.

It was explained that after the mass shooting at Colorado's
Columbine High School in 1999 - when 2 students fatally shot
12 classmates and a teacher and injured 21 others before
killing themselves - law enforcement has moved away from
the tectics employed at the time of waiting and setting a
perimeter during an active shooter situation.

Instead police are now trained to immediately enter and try
to subdue the shooter. Columbine changed the entire landscape
of law enforcement's tactical response to active shooters
because it became clear that these incidents unfold in
minutes.

You have massive loss of life the longer you wait.

When gunfire is ringing out - the police now are trained and
expected and required to - engage, engage, engage.

We shall have to wait for the report as to why this did not
happen in Uvalde.
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 31 May 2022 2:55:17 PM
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Dear o sung wu,

As someone who lived through the police and underworld tit for tat killings in the 80s here in Victoria I know full well what summary justice if taken too far can bring. There were a number of officers either killed or maimed for life during that period including Tynan and Eyre who were randomly selected.

It took a new police commissioner to return a degree of professionalism and abiding by the rules to the force and the killings on both sides waned as a result. I have often wondered if a similar version occurred in NSW?
Posted by SteeleRedux, Tuesday, 31 May 2022 3:26:07 PM
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o sung wu,

Well old fella, it was you and not I who diverted to the subject of summery justice by coppers, then you seen fit to carry on about national service and the Vietnam War in your typical malicious way. I realise you were a combatant in Vietnam, all I can say is I'm glad you survived the war, and have lived a long life. I don't know you, no more than you know me and to say' "you and I both know the truth" simply demonstrates your ignorance.

"Almost half the massacres of Aboriginal people were by police or other government forces, research finds" look it up, its all there
Posted by Paul1405, Tuesday, 31 May 2022 3:39:00 PM
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In regard to the Vietnamese War there was a letter from Ho Chi Minh to Harry Truman asking for Truman's support.

https://www.cvce.eu/en/obj/letter_from_ho_chi_minh_to_harry_s_truman_hanoi_28_february_1946-en-63812c0e-9a33-400c-b53a-272fc7669d96.html

In my opinion he should have had Truman's support. As the United States separated from the British Empire Ho Chi Minh wanted the Vietnamese to gain independence from the French Empire. Ho Chi Minh's letter was unanswered.

In my opinion we were on the wrong side in the Vietnamese War we should have supported the Vietnamese in their fight for independence instead of taking over from the French.
Posted by david f, Tuesday, 31 May 2022 3:55:58 PM
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G'day STEELEREDUX...

All though you and I are generally opposing each other on different matters, I always value both your brains and your restraint whenever you debar an opponent's arguement.

I remember well the events in Victoria,in the mid eighties. I was still in the job then. Yes, we've had similar situation(s) here as well. And being the fifth largest body of sworn police in the Western World, there'll always be those coppers who like to square the ledger.

And I'm one of 'em STEELE. I was not paid enough to be spat on, assaulted, threatened and generally roughed up, by any punk crim. many of whom have their rightful place in Long Bay Gaol. Today, I'd be more than likely be paraded before IAD, but many of them have never been a member of a crime task force. Established at the direction of the Premier, to bust-up these violent ethnic gangs that permeated the South Western Suburbs of Sydney. And not one jack (detective) had to answer an IAD direction at the completion of the operation.

Oh I forget to mention, yup, we were successful STEELE, there wasn't a single crim. to be seen wandering around the streets and public places of our target area(s). Later ops. I was part of the now disbanded TRG. Another very successful ops. BTW the NSWPOL TRG was originally formed to counter the annual; Easter Motor Cycle Racing, Rioting at Bathurst, NSW.
Posted by o sung wu, Tuesday, 31 May 2022 4:07:22 PM
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Hi there DAVID F...

Sir, I have no knowledge of such a communication apropos Vietnam, and those hawks and doves who sought different outcomes. I was a mere grunt serving in UH-1Bs. Before I was even sent to South Vietnam, I more than likely had no idea where it was or how to spell the name?. Ignorance is bliss as they say.

Since my repatriation, I've had many comments raised and discussed as to the merits of our involvement, and some heated opinions saying why we should not have been there.

Being young and stupid, my biggest concern was my own level of comfort. Consequently, when I first saw our destination, it looked more like a regular FSB, then a troop under canvas. The 'Dat' looked typically like your proverbial s**thole, and the thought of living twelve months there, was utterly repugnant. Still, I survived and here I am.
Posted by o sung wu, Tuesday, 31 May 2022 4:24:38 PM
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