Oh, Boaz, how I love the smell of injured innocence in the morning!

>>and you speak of my 'selfrighteousness'? :) Is that a pulpit I see you standing on ? and 6 feet above contradiction at that?<<

Yes, I guess it was a little patronizing. My only defence is that you don't seem to respond to any other approach, so I had to find another way to attract your attention.

You say stuff, then avoid the follow-up. You have always done this, and it's rude.

This time it was:

">>as the Sheikh of the Islamic youth society said "We ruled the world once, we can rule the world again"... Hence the problem.<<

...to which I asked...

>>What problem? When, exactly, did Islam "rule the world"?<<

You have avoided the question, which was intended to highlight yet another "Chicken Little" exaggeration of yours.

You avoid the reality that "white supremacy" is a construct that connotes racism.

You avoid the reality that "One Nation, One Culture, One Race" is a construct that attracts racists.

You quote endless verses from the Qur'an - or is it the same verse, endless times? - and expect the world+dog to share your view that you are simply educating us peasants.

You resist any attempt to provide perspective to your attitude towards your religion, by suggesting that anyone who behaves badly in the name of Christianity (crusaders, paedophile priests, the inquisition etc.) is not actually a Christian.

Is it any wonder that, very occasionally, I feel that I ought to drop out of my calm, rational pattern of responses to you and get all schoolmistressy?

Now, what was the question again?

>>I'd be interested seriously in where the 'line' is in your mind... the line regarding cultural/religious encroachment of Islam into Australian life.<<

There is no "line" here, except the law of the land. If Christians or Muslims want to pray, that's fine by me. If they break the law, that's not fine by me.

And if you were about to suggest that we are in danger of falling under Sharia law, or whatever, please don't.

Pericles... you did well.. persisting with the seemingly insignificant till you obtain an answer.. the comment about "We once ruled the world" was not mine but from the Imam/Sheikh .. it was his view not mine, but.. in that rather twisted mind of his, I presume he meant the time after the Byzantines had been routed and the Islamic empire stretched eastwards into China, quite a large slab of empire to say the least.. this was done under the auspices of the concept of Caliph..and that Caliphate was only removed by Attaturk quite recently historically speaking.

I don't know why you took issue with that... because it doesn't seem important to me.. the important thing is that HE thought they ruled the world and wish to again...... I'm still showering my keyboard with dandruff as I scratch my head over why you don't see "Hitler Mini me" in that address.. not that this particular individual would at this point in time have the same influence as a Hitler, but my goodness mate.. he is having a jolly good go at it.. then you add the giggling voice of Sheikh Faiz as he splutters 'Jews..apes and pigs' etc... I mean.. there 'is' a common theme running along out there.

YOUR LINE... "The Law of the Land".. I'm glad you said this. Now..is it not the law of the land NOT to make laws promoting particular religions? Or.. can a secular UNI make discriminatory provision for one religion but not others ? Yet in the 'prayer rooms at UWS' that 'line' has been crossed..or do you see it differently?

If we can agree on this, then were are close to being on the same page.

As you must have realized, Boaz, it is your comment that I was calling into question.

">>as the Sheikh of the Islamic youth society said "We ruled the world once, we can rule the world again"... Hence the problem.<<

...to which I asked...

>>What problem? When, exactly, did Islam "rule the world"?<<

A perfectly normal, uncontroversial and - above all - non-rabble-rousing response to the sheikh's slogan, would be "nonsense; since when did you guys rule the world anyway?".

Or, even more appropriately, ignore the whole stupidity of it, knowing full well that someone who made claims like that is clearly a nutter.

Instead, you pretended that he really did intend to "rule the world". You probably still do, despite the fact that you yourself have obviously also scratched your head to try to come up with some part of the world that they had, in fact, ruled.

Even at its most literal - "we will again rule those parts of the world that we used to rule" - his geographic reach hardly extends to Melbourne, now does it?

So, once again.

You take any old junk that you find on the Internet, and simulate fear and loathing - "see, they'll murder us all in our beds, you mark my words" - simply in order to be able to express, one more time, your fundamental hatred of Islam.

It is utterly irrelevant what the Sheikh said; what I am trying to point out to you is that you are a very important part of the problem, Boaz, and until you go away, the problem won't go away either.

I can only try to bring it home to you by asking, yet again.

"...is the problem likely to get a) larger or b) smaller, if you keep picking at it like an old scab? Are your enemies likely to get a) more or b) less militant, as a result of your endless stream of febrile insults?"

Boazy: "Now..is it not the law of the land NOT to make laws promoting particular religions? Or.. can a secular UNI make discriminatory provision for one religion but not others ? Yet in the 'prayer rooms at UWS' that 'line' has been crossed..or do you see it differently?"

Boazy seems in a bit of a lather about UWS providing prayer rooms for Muslim students. Firstly, every University I've ever visited has at least one Christian chapel and several Christian colleges. Secondly, UWS has had an active Christian chaplaincy program since the early 1990s, and harbours several Christian chapels. See http://www.tcma.org.au/spalding_working_paper.pdf for a discussion paper about this.

The furphy regarding the Constitution is just that - University policies, by-laws etc aren't set by the Federal parliament. I wish you were right though - what a wonderful argument it would be for removing Commonwealth funding from church schools and colleges.

This appears to be yet another case where Boazy's all worked up about something that simply isn't true, and which he could have easily checked if he was halfway interested in telling the truth.

I have been helping an asylum-seeker gain refuge in our wonderful country, a Christian who converted from a Muslim background, and my first hint of trouble was when her small child was kidnapped by Muslim relatives determined to ship him back to Iran, facilitated by moderate Muslims here.

If Muslims are prepared to risk much by being openly condemnational of their beliefs, such as Khaled Abu Toameh (Pt 1) saying that he is "worried and ashamed", and that the "silent majority is not speaking out" which he hopes is out of fear not out of sympathy - these are good indicators of the climate in which they live - then we should speak out at every opportunity.

This video is out there not to change your mind about Christianity or Judaism, but as an invitation to open your minds to the "enemy among us".

- "The infiltration of radical islam is so deep it's shocking and everyone is in denial about it" (Pt 5, John Loftus, former federal prosecutor".

- "A large and growing minority (of Muslims) rejects the society in which they operate" (Part 6, Sir Martin Gilbert, author and historian)

- "The West was sleepping..." (Pt 6, Walid Shoebat, former PLO terroist)

Ignoring these messages is like sleeping with your eyes open.

I'm a mother of a four year old. To see a 3.5 year old child calling Jews apes and pigs because it says so in the Qu'ran (Pt 3) and the evidence of kids being taught to be suicide bombers is mind-boggingly horrific. My four year old's focus is nursery rhymes, Thomas the Tank Engine, dinosaurs....

Every day, I drive past a Jewish school, which my friends attend. I see the security fence and the security guards. Parents pay a premium for these necessities - in Sydney, not Tehran.

For the moment, the child has been returned to his mother forcefully with police intervention. Australia has agreed to grant a protection visa to them, his safety though is not guaranteed.

Pericles..and CJ... I rest my case.. refer all questions to KatieO's post.

Does anything more need to be said ?

cheers.