Hi Pale....
I'll try to correct the record here..

1/ it may have been the popular belief that "all" mental illness was due to demons, but those who Jesus healed definitely did have demons. I don't find much information if any about regular mental illness.

2/ I did reply to you.. don't know why it never made it. My email has been down for a few days due to an IT issue.

Bugsy, Ginx, CJ, Pericles, Think4self and Robert,

1/ We are free 'from' religion. (Think4self)
2/ You others, well... when far off people in positions of influence and power start talking about 'ruling the world' and I find people of the same mould becoming more and more active in Australia, some on trial for terrorism, in 2 out of 6 states, extremely close similarities between the 'other' bloke who said Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer.......and those currently talking about retaking the world they once ruled...creeping Islamic favoritism coming into universities etc... I believe there are very valid reasons for concern and awareness raising.

You folks give me the distinct impression that you would have waited for the Panzers to roll up the beaches of Brighton or somewhere before you actually believed in the 'Nazi menace' . Clearly, you would be ridiculing anyone who spoke of it b4 that and called them "Hateful Naziphobes"

I guess you would not care about France or the other places taken by Hitler, all of which pointed to the end game. That's the result I suppose when your knowledge of Islam is so limited.
If you did have a substantive knowledge of the religion itself, your counter arguments against me would be based on seeking to correct my understanding of that faith, rather than playing the man...as you always do.
So, as long as you play the man rather than the issue.. I'll continue to work along as I've been.

David
Thanks for answering the questions. cant say I agree but then again neither of us were there were we?

Its a fine balance between educating and making things worse I guess.
I know you believe in what you are doing but you also must remember others see your posts as stirring up even more trouble.
For my mind David there are just good and bad people.
Clearly you would understand given my work I would not be impressed with our so called christian leaders.
Through my eyes I can tell you only Muslim leaders of Australia have spoken out about the cruel live animal trade and lets face it David thats more than ours have done. We are sending the animals along with our jobs yet the church remains silent.
I try to be fair and I am honest to a fault which upsets some posters.
I may have upset you with the first post on this thread however I dont see how putting these goons up you are helping.
I do see your argument about the way in which the world did not repond to Hitler and of course that is why Bush howard , Blaire sent the troops.

I also see you as having the right to express those fears but I encourage you to try to ask questions rather than attack.
We have to work a lot more with our Australian Muslim leaders David and find answers.
Its hard at times and one wonders why under labour all those years ago we took so many people from a culture so different to us.
It is also important the Muslim people understand in Australia we have a law and a choice of faith but our laws goes for everybody without exceptions.

There is no doubt that you have great skill in avoiding tough questions, Boaz. And equally, that you have somehow worked out that the best way to feed your self-righteousness is to accuse those who question your actions and motives of something. Anything. Attack is the best form of defence etc.

Most times this is "you simply don't understand, but I do".

This time the accusations are:

i) stupidity - "You folks give me the distinct impression that you would have waited for the Panzers to roll up the beaches of Brighton or somewhere before you actually believed in the 'Nazi menace'",

ii) callousness - "I guess you would not care about France or the other places taken by Hitler, all of which pointed to the end game."

iii) and a rather convoluted combination of "you don't understand" and accusations of ad hominem attack - "If you did have a substantive knowledge of the religion itself, your counter arguments against me would be based on seeking to correct my understanding of that faith, rather than playing the man...as you always do."

The reason that I draw attention to your behaviour - or "play the man", as you would like to see it - is that you remind me so much of the over-excited rabble-rousers of the thirties. Now, underneath it all, you are probably a decent man simply trying to make sense of the world, which is why I spend more time attempting to show you the error of your ways than I do responding to the more obviously mean-spirited posts that frequently appear here.

Take it as a compliment, that someone believes that you are more confused than evil, and cares enough to point this out to you.

PALE.. you did hit the nail on the head there.. regarding the kind of 'reality avoidance' that some posters are expressing...thanx.

PERRRRRICLES :) wow.. and I'm supposed to be 'patronising' eh..

"Now, underneath it all, you are probably a decent man simply trying to make sense of the world, which is why I spend more time attempting to show you the error of your ways"

and you speak of my 'selfrighteousness' ? :) Is that a pulpit I see you standing on ? and 6 feet above contradiction at that ?

Mate.. all I'm doing is looking at history pre WW2, looking at history in the past few decades, subjecting both the historical material and the flow of ideas, to scrutiny, and recognizing strong similarities between the 2.

Now..ur probably a decent bloke too... (like that?) but in my humble view, you are either in denial or misguided, hence "I have to spend much time correcting you"... sounds a bit over the top doesn't it.

It boils down to assessment of evidence. I'd be interested seriously in where the 'line' is in your mind... which line ? I mean for example.. the line regarding cultural/religious encroachment of Islam into Australian life. Just that one issue alone of providing prayer halls/rooms and ablutions for Muslims, while denying Christians a prayer room where they can put various religious symbols on its walls say.. should YELL at you 'something is wrong'.. and that 'something' is not a one of thing, its a trend. Trends have beginnings and endings.
So.. if I may ask.. do you see any problem with that particular trend

Boazy, "your counter arguments against me would be based on seeking to correct my understanding of that faith". Substantial effort has been put towards that end by a number of posters of a long period of time.

Your obsessive hatred of Islam and complete blindness to the similarities with your own faith make that a loosing proposition but some still persist. Perhaps we get a little jaded with the process.

If this was the lead up to world war two we would be attacking you for insisting that all Germans are at heart Nazi's because its built into the core of their culture (or a variation thereof). The parallel from this side is more akin to being in Germany in the lead up to that period with you ranting about the threat posed by those nasty Jews and how something final needs to be done about them.

What we have done is a risk assessment and clearly the risks to the freedoms and values of the western world from christian religious extremism are far higher than the risks posed by extremist muslims.

R0bert

David
I guess really what I am saying is we need to deal in the real world now"`.
All this debate about what the bibe said or what was in the Koran drives everbody nuts. We need to care about loving our neighbours now in 2007.
I dont agree with what paul Keating did but its done. We must try to live together. I am concerned about house avalabilty and i put much of the lack of it down to imagration.
What are the Christian Churches doing to try to unite the two WITHOUT talking religion.?
You know David you might do yourself a favour and some of your buddies to just ask some of the Mossies out fishing for a day.
You can still take your beers if you like as they really do not mind.
They just dont drink it thats all. You might even find you have a lot in common regarding concerns of Extreme Islamic cults.
Look has it ever occured to you if you had come to the West to escape terribly things you might just appreciate an Aussie mate.
I think it Just imagine after coming all that way being terrified that all that fighting was going to break out again and with YOU in the middle.

Dont you think some of the Muslim Leaders of Australia and the new mufti deserve a chance and some support to keep their flock on track.
Well heres news- They do.

I know a few mossies that be right up there on front line fighting for Australia too if ever some of the extreme lot dropped by.
PS Still hate burkas and that wont ever change but 99% of them understand and appreciate that.