It does not take much to get you kicked in the ribs BOAZ DAVID.
Seems book burning is still in fashion, all I saw was you inviting people to see why you fear radical Islam.
And while we can get all warm and comfy by pretending they do not think like that it is blind stupid to do so.
I time and again say, still believe, the silent majority will be the answer to this blind hate.
But they remain very silent am I just dreaming?
As dreadful as it seems only a war will stop middle ages hate from returning to haunt us.
we in time soon to come will learn to hate as blindly kill as dreadfully as those who are educated to hate us.
Once more if any God wants such outcomes so divides us humans why?

Hi Belly mate.....hey.. a bit of trivia :) (aside from the topic)
the other night, I had a 'fight' with a union member.. from the ETU .. it was a fist fight.. and a foot fight :) aaah.. all good.. just mucking around in fun... nothing serious, just exercise, we get along well.

BACK to topic.

This is the bloke who wrote to me, and notice how he is explaining "If you are a moderate secular muslim, WE will be your biggest obstacle" etc etc..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oa4xgz8U23s&mode=related&search=

This is the true voice/position of HIZB UT TAHRIR... it appears they are being investigated now.. about time is all I can say.

I loved what Aqvarvis shared on the multicultural thread.

"Facts are difficult to deal with when they conflict with theory. And before changing theories most human beings will spend long periods of time pretending that the facts don't exist, hoping that the facts will magically go away, or denying that the facts are important. Only if the facts are very painful and very persistent will they deal with the fundamental inconsistencies in their world view." - Lester Thurow

CJ... are you there ? the above applies to you and Pericles moreso than anyone else.

saintfletcher: "The high brow can say what they like, this is a medium that everyone is talking about. The American sites, particularly the Christian sites and Fox really do sink their teeth in. To actually see the action with a narration is a powerful communication device. Commentry on this is quite appropriate in this forum and some should wake up from their ivory towers to see how far the world has moved."

I agree that YouTube is a fascinating site and concept. However, as it stands with respect to factual and political commentary, it appears to be overwhelmed with amateur dross, propaganda and misinformation. Further, there's no way of verifying if any video posted there is authentic.

For serious topics, it's little more than Fox News dumbed down - if that's possible.

Why bring commentary from such a site to this one, which purports to be a serious forum for political and social debate? Doesn't YouTune have commentary facilities?

It's not a question of 'ivory towers' - rather, it's a question of horses for courses. While YouTube undoubtedly has a big future and a legitimate function in popular communications, anybody who currently places much weight on it as a serious source of information and ideas is a credulous fool, to be frank.

I stand by my assessment that Boazy and his cohorts are obsessed with Islam. His object is to foster antipathy towards Islam - and hence Muslims - in Australia, and his latest tactic seems to be to direct the less literate amongst us to YouTube propaganda videos that he's selected on that basis.

Such a project can only lead to deepened social divisions and violence, which is why I speak out against it. Boazy happens to cop more of my attention, simply because he's so prolific and extreme in his hate-mongering.

I wasn't going to dignify this thread with a second thought until you invited me Boaz.

>>...the above applies to you and Pericles moreso than anyone else.<<

When will you understand that you are part of the problem?

What is it that prevents you from seeing what is plain as a pikestaff to the vast majority of ordinary, everyday, non-fanatical folk?

Broadcasting your personal hatred of a religion that is not your own is to behave precisely as those whom you accuse.

Spending your waking hours trawling through a mass of undifferentiated visual sludge, simply in order to find yet another piece of trash propaganda that "supports" your "view", is simply self-indulgent mischief-making, designed to inflame anti-Islamic fear in others.

You do this in the name of Christianity, invariably.

I have said this before, and I repeat it now: it is the behaviour of a person that determines their goodness or their evil, not the flag of convenience they happen to fly.

For example, you insist that the Crusades were not conducted by Christians, because it is not inspired by the words of Jesus. Yet they happened. They flew the flag of Christianity. By their actions let them be judged.

You insist that you have the right to slag off Islam, by comparing aspects of it unfavourably to Christianity. It is this behaviour that defines you, not the flag of Christian convenience that you fly, nor the words of Jesus.

I would love to see your "Jesus says it's ok" rationale for propagating hatred in the manner that you do. Since you are so adept at picking a favourable quote for practically everything else, how about finding one that justifies these continuing acts of rabble-rousing that you find so important to your self-image.

But I guess that anyone who can justify beating their own daughter can convince themselves of anything, right?

CJ Morgan, in order to help you with your obvious lack of understanding of the rules of polite discourse I've taken the liberty of compiling some examples of how to address a discussion without attacking the other party at a personal level.

I've tried to include comments addressed to a variety of posters to help your understanding.

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=874#16229
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=905#15960
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=649#15555 (one of the better examples of calm discussion of the points without personal attack)
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=6135#89243
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=669#12594

You could if you find the former links instructional further your education by reading links found at http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/user.asp?id=23834&show=history

I do hope that this correction is taken in the spirit which it is intended ;) .

R0bert

Pericles... always a_challenge.

You said:

[Broadcasting your personal hatred of a religion that is not your own is to behave precisely as those whom you accuse.]

COMMENT. No..I do not put 'Crosses' over Parliament house in photos. Nor do I trample on our national flag in public places.

Then...
[Spending your waking hours trawling through a mass of undifferentiated visual sludge, ...to find yet another piece of trash propaganda that "supports" your "view", is simply self-indulgent mischief-making, designed to inflame anti-Islamic fear in others.]

COMMENT. I'm fully aware that people can make of a religion what they like. Fellow Human is a prime example of one who has made a friendly, even warm hearted construct. Irf is not quite there yet, but he is certainly not one I worry about.

What you missed out on P, is that the vid of the "Islamic Thinkers Society" is coming from a "Hizb Ut Tahrir" world Kalifate perspective.
They are in New York (and other parts of America) that SAME group is in Australia, and recently had their "Kalifa" conference seeking basically 'World Rule' for Islam..no, they don't mean 'World Islam united' they mean..as the Sheikh of the Islamic youth society said "We ruled the world once, we can rule the world again"...

Hence the problem.

You see the raising of awareness of this, as mischief making (my goodness, you are already using Islamic technical terminology and the next part of the verse which mentions 'mischief' also calls for crucifying the perpetrators of mishief. Err..that wasn't a veiled threat was it ?

I've posted a number of vids which show the progression of Radicals influencing/intimadating moderates and we have experienced this in Australia, with me providing 2 examples. Zrieka and Nile.

Yet.. you are still 'head in sand' mode... you say "I'm part of the problem" but the problem is there with or without me. The only difference I make is to inform people of the powerplays going on around us.

They don't need to fear "Yusuf Q Muslim next door" but the DO need to fear those who would turn him radical.