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What is an Australian

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Foxy, to swear allegiance to Australia is a nonsense - What are you aligning yourself with. "The people of Australia" is an open slather to adopt whatever values you find other Australians like. It is a nebelous idea with no single person to follow.

Allegiance is meant to be given to a set of values upheld by a person, and we identify that person in giving allegiance. Give us the person Australia. Is it the Chief Justice or the Head of the Defence forces, an Imman or some aboriginal elder? We want to know what their values and agenda are.
Posted by Josephus, Saturday, 15 January 2022 11:37:36 AM
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With all this talk about being partially & fully vaccinated, & then boosted, lets apply that to the question.

Looked at in that way, only a person born in Oz can really be an Australian, & only one born to parents born here can be a "boosted" Ozzie.

All others, no matter what bit of paper they have to wave about will ever be a "boosted" Ozzie, & only those at least schooled can ever be a true Ozzie. Anyone holding double citizenship, may be a citizen, but will never be an Ozzie.

I believe it is disgusting that any Johny come lately should presume to have a right to try to change our form of government, & only second generation should ever be entitled to vote on any constitutional matter.
Posted by Hasbeen, Saturday, 15 January 2022 11:45:03 AM
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Hasbeen,

It what's in your heart that matters not how long you've been
in a country. The biggest traitors as history has shown
have been natives of countries in which they've lived for
generations.

True citizens and patriots are those whose hearts are filled
with love, devotion, and a sense of attachment to a homeland
or a country and an alliance with other citizens who share
the same sentiments to create a feeling of oneness. And as
I said - that comes from within you.
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 15 January 2022 12:20:38 PM
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Josephus,

You said - "to swear allegiance to Australia is a
nonsense." And you asked - "What are you aligning
yourself with?"

People are expressing their loyalty to a country and
her people "whose democratic beliefs they share, whose
rights and liberties they respect and shoe laws they will
uphold and obey." that is their pledge.

From your post we can take it that you think this is
nonsense. Which probably means that you are not an
Australian citizen.
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 15 January 2022 12:27:40 PM
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Josephus,

And if you don't align yourself with either the
country or its people - why are you here?
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 15 January 2022 12:29:58 PM
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Foxy,
Do citizens owe any allegiance to the Parliament of Australia?
They certainly owe allegiance to Australia but do they owe allegiance to those whom the Constitution recognises as the Parliament?
Posted by Is Mise, Saturday, 15 January 2022 1:07:08 PM
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