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Posted by Is Mise, Monday, 24 January 2022 4:42:22 PM
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Dear Is Mise,
«Fair enough, but I think that citizens, old and new, owe their allegiance to our Head of State, Elizabeth II, Queen of Australia just as do the military, the police and our MPs.» "Old and new"? Why would the old owe anything, just because they were born? As for the new, yes, if they received their citizenship before 1994. Posted by Yuyutsu, Monday, 24 January 2022 8:45:01 PM
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Yuyutsu,
We all owe allegiance to our country, it’s part of what being a citizen is. What’s 1994 got to do with things? Posted by Is Mise, Monday, 24 January 2022 9:13:06 PM
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Dear Is Mise,
«We all owe allegiance to our country, it’s part of what being a citizen is.» I disagree that one owes allegiance to anything merely by virtue of being born. A person born in Australia has never asked to become an Australian citizen, it was automatic. Should they had to ask for it, then they could be required to fulfill certain conditions such as allegiance, but that was not the case. Now in your previous post you referred to allegiance to Her Majesty the Queen, not to a country. New citizens are different than the Australian-born because they, like the list of servicemen you mentioned, are required to make an oath/affirmation in order to become Australian citizens or to obtain that office. «What’s 1994 got to do with things?» The wording of that oath/affirmation changed in 1994: Beforehand, it was about allegiance to Her Majesty the Queen. Afterwards it became to be about allegiance to the Australian people and their values, etc. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_of_Allegiance_(Australia%29 Posted by Yuyutsu, Tuesday, 25 January 2022 1:06:08 AM
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Parents and the education system have the responsibility to educate children with the grace of being a citizen of the greatest system of Government on Earth.
The fact the system is failing is because the fathers have abandoned their responsibility in the family. Posted by Josephus, Tuesday, 25 January 2022 8:02:20 AM
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Yuyutsu,
Allegiance is to Australia, yes and therefore to the Parliament and the Constitution. As the Australian Parliament consists of the Queen, the Senate and the House of Representatives (see the Constitution) then allegiance is owed to the Queen. Foxy take note. Posted by Is Mise, Tuesday, 25 January 2022 9:30:04 AM
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OK, so you don’t know and haven’t the brains to discuss the issue.
Fair enough, but I think that citizens, old and new, owe their allegiance to our Head of State, Elizabeth II, Queen of Australia just as do the military, the police and our MPs.