I just want to add - that my children and
grand-children are the lights of our lives.
However, I am in no position to judge the
decisions others may make. I have been
very lucky in life, and blessed.

Take care.
Stay safe.

To Foxy.

I understand wanting to let the topic go. It is a different subject then the topic of vaccinations. However I think I should reply to what you've written.

Many of the issues you've brought up are based on moral perspectives and different philosophies. That women should be the only ones that make the choice is a strong narrative that I've heard throughout my life. However after knowing more about abortion, I don't care if it offends women to stand against it. They can resent it all they want, this is a practice that needs to stop. One of the issues with that position is that most abortion related services are very pro-abortion. It's their industry so why wouldn't they be. So the console they give to women who are worried and vulnerable is aimed at them getting an abortion, and comforting them by saying it's ok. But they don't give all of the options for what a woman in her situation can do . (And there are many situations pregnant women are in). All of them are reassured it's ok, and that abortion is the best choice for them.

If abortion is strictly a woman's choice then it should be known what options are available for women who are pregnant but are scared. Or a hard look at the common situations that women are in when they come to abortion clinics should be looked at so that those situations aren't alone with abortion as the "only solution." The hard fact of abortion being a very rich industry cuts a lot of the moralist arguments about abortion and leaves a grimy stain of being manipulated.

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The other arguments such as the rights of the father; or that abortion is the gateway practice towards other industries of death; that the cost of the babies are too great; or that no one should stand against abortion and force their views on others. All of those arguments are so far down the line of concerns when the details of abortion are made known. Even the cost of babies and population scares is nothing compared to killing a person. Then add the numbers and it's not just killing one person it's killing a lot lot more.

I can't stand by while the issues of society are ignored and abortion is handed out as if it's the only real solution. The world is broken in many ways; society is broken or at least hard in many way, and people in general are broken in the same ways that the world is broken, with the same lines of hardship and suffering. But those don't justify killing an unborn baby.

If the argument is that it's a woman's private choice, then give her the options and let her know the tools to get out of the situations they are in. Anything less then that approach shows that idea as a sham, and the abortion industry as a manipulative and greedy organization. When it comes to abortion, the more you know the less you like. That's why I say that the only reason to be ok with abortion, or to be on the fence about it, is because people just don't know. I'm sorry but it doesn't matter how many people resent anti-abortion perspectives. The only way to get out of this is for people to know and to act on that knowledge and change the world around them.

SR

"You said: “Remember that's 7770 in a total count of 1,036,723 deaths.”

The place doesn't even have 9 million inhabitants. So they expected deaths of 1 in every 9 residents? Lol."

You really do struggle with numbers don't you?

Those figures are for the whole of the USA.

7770 extra deaths in the whole of the USA.

Out of expected deaths of ~1 million for the whole of the USA.

Trump is the president for the whole of the USA.

If you took the NYC figures out then the whole of the USA has done extremely well.

I shouldn't really blame you for not getting this. Getting to the data and analysing the actual numbers is hard. Just going with the approved memes is much easier.

Mhaze,

82,000 deaths from this virus across the US, and counting. So far, after only a couple of months, Covid-19 has increased the US annual death rate by 8 % - after only a couple of months, just when the HWOTUS is encouraging states to lift restrictions while the Curve is still high. So a second wave on top of a high first wave. High ? The most deaths of any country in the world so far ? 82,000 ? Sounds high to me.

So expect around 100,000 deaths per month until the Curve is controlled like it is here, thanks to Morrison. So 700,000 more deaths by the end of the year, to a grand total of around 800,000, or an 80 % increase in the annual number of deaths, if your figures are accurate. 80 %.

Yes, if he avoids jail, Trump might fade into history next year with some memorable achievements under his belt.

A possibility: this disaster will threaten most Republican Congress seats in this year's half-term elections, so pressure might grow for Trump to consider his health and 'take leave' (or 'otherwise' vacate) from the most crucial job in the US. And well before the elections too.

Joe

NNS,

Thank You for sharing your views on abortion.
It is a complex and controversial issue.
A choice that I luckily have never had to make
nor am I sure that I ever could,
so I'm in no position to judge others who do/did.

Take care.
Stay safe.