Even on the subject of rugby players getting flu shots have sent those with TDS into a spin. Funny how whatever he does sets off the regressives. That's what hatred does to you. No consideration from the socialist that China just might have something to do with the deaths. Of course not when you can direct your hatred towards Trump. Really is sad to see however thankfully so many Americans have woken up to your deceit an fake news.

Since SR was suddenly very anxious to talk about New York, I pulled the data from the CDC just for New York City. It show excess deaths for the period to 25/4/20 of over 16000.

So excess deaths for the whole USA (including NYC) of 7770 but excess deaths for NYC of 16000. So the rest of the USA showed 8000 LESS deaths this year than would be otherwise expected. I'll pause for a second while I let that sink in.

Now remember these are official CDC numbers. I can't validate that they are completely correct since some of them involve estimates. But they are certainly in the ball-park.

Now I now that several of you have averted your eyes every time I mention that 49.5 states in the US are doing better than most of the rest of the world and that its only the bozos running NYC that are causing the real problems. But again these numbers demonstrate that point.

From LM: "or an 80 % increase in the annual number of deaths, if your figures are accurate. 80 %."

Huh? if the CDC figures are correct the number of deaths this year will be similar to each of the previous three years.

A WuFlu death isn't necessarily an extra death. Most of those people were already ill and a portion would have died this year anyway. Doctors in NY are already commenting on the apparent decline in heart attack deaths due to people dying of WuFlu instead. And there is good evidence that the numbers of WuFlu deaths is exaggerated since they oftern count people who died WITH WuFlu rather than those who died OF WuFlu. As one wag commented.."Man taken by alligator..died of CV19"

Just taking the reported number of deaths and treating each one as an extra death utterly misunderstand the whole issue

Mhaze,

So 80,000 Americans haven't died from this virus ? There won't be another 100,000 by the end of the year ? Or 200,000 ? i.e. up to a quarter of the annual deaths across the US ? With curbs to immigration, maybe an actual reduction in the US population by the end of 2021 ?

It's all fake news ?

Of course, Trump may have scuttled off to his rat-hole in Florida by then. [Some rat-hole].

Another minor and irrelevant prediction: Melania will leave him early next year.

Joe

don't worry Mhaze Joe is still cheering on Russian Collusion.

one that may calm you a little Joe.

https://www.facebook.com/TheTacTimes/videos/233952317700381/

seems like your anti Christ may have been right about treatment

Runner,

Weird how your mind works.

How do you leap from Corona deaths in the US to Russian collusion with the US ?

Collusion on what ? Covering up Corona deaths ? Yes, maybe. I think both countries are in very dire straits over this virus. Strange - well, no, not so strange - how the combination of arrogance and incompetence creates such dreadful tragedies as are befalling those two would-be empires.

So of course, both have vested interests in covering up their failures. You're right there, Runner :). [Jeez, I don't write that often]. And China too. And Britain. And most European countries. Our PM can be rightly proud of having the courage to go early and go hard.

Historically, it's possible that both the US and Russia are heading for historic disaster. Couldn't happen to two nicer bullies.

Joe