'No baby should die of whooping cough because of intentionally misleading B/S. You have a debt to society for double payment.'

unless covered by skin then feel free to murder it.

For those who prefer their data in pictorial form....

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runner,

Do you know the legal definition of murder?

Are you referring to first degree murder,
second degree murder or homicide,
manslaughter? Also the laws vary state to
state.

You have to be a bit more specific in your
drive-by comments.

Foxy

If you are a baby being sliced up the definition of murder only becomes important to those trying to justify barbarity. In some cultures giving young girls to old uncles is abhorrent. The fact that it is legal does not reduce how repulsive it is.

runner,

The question is a basic value judgement about the
human status of the fetus.

If the fetus is considered a baby, then abortion is a form
of killing. If it is considered a mere collection of
cells and tissue, then abortion is a morally neutral
surgical procedure.

Herein lies the dilemma.

The status of the fetus is inherently ambiguous.
It is neither-self-evidently a human being nor self-
evidently just tissue. For it these matters were
self-evident, there would be little disagreement
about abortion.

On the one hand, the fetus is not a human being in the
usual sense, for it is generally not viable. Indeed
no society treats the fetus as human, for example if the
mother accidentally miscarries, the fetus is not given
a funeral but is simply disposed of like any other tissue.

On the other hand the fetus is not like just any other tissue,
such as discarded nail or hair clippings. The fetus is
potentially a human being one that might become as alive
and unique as you are.

The conflicting value judgements about abortion stem
from this fundamental ambiguity in the status of the fetus.

It is wrong of you to make sweeping blanket statements regarding
this issue when there is so much ambiguity involved.

The arguments about abortion have nothing to do with the unborn being a baby or not. Calling him or her a fetus instead of a baby is just justification. The issue is that they don't want the baby, are pressured that they are throwing their life away, or any other pro abortion perspective to guilt, scare, or harass women to not consider doing the right thing and having a child.

The justification of it being a baby or not can be simple and easy to answer. Just look at ultra sound pictures from conception to birth.

On another point though, there's also the points from the bible. John the babitist while in his mother's womb, kicked with joy when around Mary when she was pregnant with Jesus. There are other points in the bible where God talks about knitting us in our mother's womb, and having a plan for us even before we are born.