Hi paul,

Yes, there are serious problems when, say, a bloke beats the hell out of his beloved. Hmmmm ...... what on earth can be done ? Hmmmmm ........ persuade him to stop ? Who ? The community council ? Organise anger management classes ? Find him a job, with perhaps very basic skills training beforehand ? Find a role for the community council in all that, and not just for outside bureaucrats ?

Surely self-determination means the obligation to make decisions, correct or modify those which are off-kilter, and for others, especially outsiders, to keep out of the process ? If others are out of the decision-making process, what the hell are they supposed to do ? i.e. without being accused of interfering ?

So how is any of this the fault of governments or whitefellas ? If communities want to grind everything into the dust, why is it anybody else's business ? Communities have the power, they can use it - they should use it, without passing the buck for responsibilities onto someone else.

Joe

Most aboriginals can only think what is happening now, do I have a feed? That is they way they live. The race must be bred out and anyone with less than 25% not considered aboriginal. Many are not interested in personal development or money saving to get ahead in Western society. They consider Western society as having stolen from them and they are owed. Many of the stolen generation are far better off than their peers; because they were placed in situations where they developed skills suitable to exist in Western society. Many just want to go home to the tribe and be hunter gathers.

The only way that city socialists like Paul will ever understand anything about the real world is to stick them out in an aboriginal settlement for a year or so.

It will take at least 6 months to open their eyes, & start to gain some common sense, then another 6 months to start to gain some wisdom. He might then actually understand that pouring sit down money into the people in these places is half the problem. We have taught them well to bludge, & did they learn that one.

We need to get out, not spend a single cent on these communities, until we see them doing things for themselves, & then make money hard enough to get to be valued, & then give only just enough.

Once they value what they have been given, there may be some hope, but only if the likes of Paul are muzzled.

45-50,000 graduates so far, that total doubling every ten years or so
Loudmouth2,
I only ever see such "graduates" boosting the numbers on the Govt payroll. I'd like to see some hands-on workers in private enterprise paying their way for a change !
Genarally, "Graduates" are nothing more than votes for Labor !

Usual Suspects on aboriginal matters will resort to deflection,
Paul1405,
you're the only deflection here, deflecting common sense ! Open your eyes, mind & ears before commenting on matters you have no idea of !
May I suggest you go & work in an indigenous community for a couple of years using your own policies ! Then give us your new version of such matters !

Individual,

I'm sure that there are plenty of Indigenous graduates doing just that. Yes, of course, many are vucked into the Industry, even those with good intentions.

I'm puzzled about the venom and antagonism against Indigenous graduates, and also Indigenous university students. What the Christ do you want people to do ? Sit on their arses forever ? Surely giving higher education a try - usually after twelve or more years through secondary schooling - is a more admirable pathway than doing bugger-all ? I can understand the 'Left' having that disgusting attitude, in their gutless support for the Indigenous Industry andelites, but surely not you ?

Joe