"Then you're with the majority of climate scientists that measure many different forcings. But our CO2 and methane ARE the dominant forcings we are aware of on our planet."

Well that may be true at certain times. And untrue at other times. eg half of the warming since 1850 was during periods when CO2e couldn't have had any real effect to speak of. And clearly CO2 etc weren't the dominant forces during the pause.

"Why don't you accept the 95% confidence of the IPCC?"
95% confident of what?

" 4 Hiroshima bombs per second. That's physics."
No that's propaganda.

If we were as certain on these issues as you suggest then there wouldn't be so many errors in the models. Whatismore the models wouldn't be in such disagreement.

"That's what you think. I note it's got no evidence?"
Well the IPCC and many others say its between 1 and 2.5c so perhaps there's more evidence than you are aware of.

"You might not be [your caricature denialist], I can grant that. But MOST are!"

That's what you think. I note it's got no evidence? :)

As the First Fleet sailed north to Botany Bay it was noted that not much could be seen ashore because of the smoke from the forest fires.

>>"eg half of the warming since 1850 was during periods when CO2e couldn't have had any real effect to speak of."

Forgive me if I ask for a source?

"And clearly CO2 etc weren't the dominant forces during the pause."
You mean the 1960's 1970's pause due to the peer-reviewed and known phenomenon of Global Dimming due to sulfur particulates that a very few climatologists thought might cause an ice age? That same Global Dimming science that they're still studying today in case we need to artificially mimic volcanoes with Solar Radiation Management (SRM)? That one, that they know all about? Yeah, CO2 was still there, ready to warm the planet the moment the particulates reduced, and then it carried on as always.

>>"95% confident of what?"
Now you're being daft, and already tempting me to give up on this forum again. It's interesting, but I much prefer a good debate over on The Conversation where 1. you have to use your real name and 2. They eventually ban climate deniers.

>>"No that's propaganda."
4 Hiroshima bombs per second is physics, and just counter-asserting without scientific evidence is daft. You're boring me again. Try not to be the cliche.

>>"If we were as certain on these issues as you suggest then there wouldn't be so many errors in the models."
What error? So many mere assertions from a tinfoil hat science-hating climate denier in one post — so few links to evidence. Not good enough!

"Well the IPCC and many others say its between 1 and 2.5c so perhaps there's more evidence than you are aware of."
Could you link to it please and show me what you're talking about, because maybe it was the way you dropped the acronym in and I read it late one night...

Hi Max Green,

Can you suggest any interesting reading?

There are some good books by Brian Fagan that might be of interest to you if you haven't already come across them:

. The Great Warming
. The Little Ice Age
. Floods, Famines, and Emperors

I'm researching the environmental sociology of water from every angle. Weather is basically water driven by the Sun's energy and winds. Fascinating stuff that goes a long way in explaining our current environmental catastrophes, which are exactly what these current bushfires and droughts are.

Huge grin came with me this morning to this thread
Yesterday we saw it was JOHN HOWARD who first subsidised solar panels
Yesterday? remember the childlike kicking and screaming from Scomos mob about SA battery storage?
Sco mo told us yesterday, he, along with two state governments would upgrade them doubling their holding ability
Clean energy has a momentum all of its own

Dear Belly,

What do you think of Twiggy Forrest and Co wanting to build the world's biggest solar farm in the NT to provide electricity to people outside of Australia? So much for business begins at home. What about us citizens who need cheap reliable power?

And I bet ScuMo and Co will back it with taxpayers dollars. Makes me so angry to see how this country is being ripped off by politicians, bureaucrats and business people who are only concerned about getting rich selling off this country.

And Australians have to carry the burden by letting the politicians and bureaucrats swamp our cities with cashed up Chinese in order to prop up the economy. Jared Diamond has called Chinese immigrants to Australia an invasive species equal to cane toads, foxes, rabbits, etc. and I totally agree with him!