Sorry truth matters even when it hurts see some of our verbal opponents are well, past it
Remember Queensland they say is about a hundred years behind
Some are, original thought is an impossibility for some and evidence always lies unless it props their views up
About 20 years ago the man made climate change thing got a hit, from within its own side, those emails
But things have changed, [some posts here make those few emails look brilliant] people are seeing the evidence
It is right in front of us, now one poster, not fully informed, often told me sunspots [he had just discovered them] not climate change, was the problem
Research our earth's layers, find out about sun spots, see their well documented cycle
And the effect they have on radio communications, even our power system if intense, then ask why carbon * could not gather in one of those layers and have an effect on our planet* Max please consider staying around, we need other than bitter old men here

Dear Max Greens,

All the usual suspects only have a $1 brain.

Our task, as million dollar brains, should be the educate the $1 brains with the purpose of creating a better world for everyone.

I have become the bete noire of the $1 brains. They hate the fact that I am what they are not: one of the most educated guys in the country and - according to people who know a lot more than I do - extremely smart.

The thing that amazes me is they go on about it being a conspiracy. But Eunice Foote discovered CO2 traps heat in 1856!? Who is driving this over 163 years? What's their angle, and how has it survived WW1, WW2, the Cold War, the Collapse of the Soviet Union, etc?

Even science documentaries back in the day were warning us about it! 61 Years ago the Bell Telephone Company "Science Hour" showed this. (2 minutes). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-AXBbuDxRY&t=4s

61 YEARS AGO?

Come on Mhaze, even you've got to admit that believing in a conspiracy going back this far stretches all credibility.

Mr O and Max,

You are two of the smartest contributors on the forum, without doubt. But I liken what you are doing with your intelligence and the ratbags, to being like carting cow manure around in a brand new Mercedes. The end result is worthless sit all over your million dollar car.

Belly, so you believe: "it is financially sound to switch to renewables".
So you believe we can hold back the tide of Climate change by mining more copper, silicon, concrete, aluminium, steel and fracking rocks to produce lithium. According to you this is the answer. This is just continuing the carbon release not reducing it.

Same old Max...

"...about CO2 interacting with water vapour. Like, really? Is that the best you've got?"

No not the best I've got, just the least I needed. You made a blanket assertion ..." More CO2 = more water vapour feedback" which I knew was wrong. Increases in atmospheric water vapour sometimes correlates to increases in CO2, and sometimes it doesn't. No 1 to 1 relationship.

I'm pleased to see you walked that back with alacrity. That's to your credit. I accept that you didn't mean to imply such a direct relationship.

In terms of maintaining your credibility, I was going to warn you about your new BFF (Mr O) that he's a fool and an unconscionable liar, but it seems he's doing that for me with his last post.

"Come on Mhaze, even you've got to admit that believing in a conspiracy going back this far stretches all credibility."

Just to set the terms early:

* I don't believe there is a conspiracy although I do think some alarmist scientists are corrupt.

* I agree that, all else being equal, an increase in CO2 leads to some warming

* I agree that the earth has warmed since the Dalton minimum

* I don't think the sunspot theory is the only answer to changes in the climate. I don't think there is an 'only answer'. I think its a combination of many factors that are beyond our current scientific knowledge to fully understand and most definitely beyond our ability to quantify.

* I think the TCR is closer to 1c than 2.5c but that we'll never get to a doubling of CO2 levels to find out anyway.

So just to make it clear, I'm not your caricature 'denialist'. Very few are.