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Dear Max Green,

I suppose our politicians and bureaucrats would be relying on China to supply all of the know-how, workers, and materials to build nuclear power plants in Australia. Of course the power produced would be mostly going to China through a gigantic undersea cable system. And of course all of this will be financed by the Australia taxpayer both for construction and long term maintenance. And of course it will have to be manned and operated by Chinese nationals, preferably those trained by the PLA. What a wonderful Chinese future Australia has!
Posted by Mr Opinion, Saturday, 23 November 2019 1:52:30 PM
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Dear Max Green,

Do you think an El Nino will kick in this summer? I'm predicting yes based on the extensive cyclone activity in the Indian Ocean early this year as the indicator for one. If it happens we're in for a super-drought, which I think might put an end to a lot of Australia's farming industry.
Posted by Mr Opinion, Saturday, 23 November 2019 2:01:01 PM
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Max Green, Mr Opinion I support Nuclear power think we can improve with ease on the bound to fail Russia and Japanese models
To be honest think we need to have Nuclear arms, to make invasion hurt
But there is a place for solar wind and water generation
And in time another way will be found
For me my system has cut over a third from my bill and got me past about thirty blackouts, not fridges and such but tv and cooking [breif] with ease
Climate emergency will, at times, lead us up wrong paths trying to overcome it but we will find the right fuels
Posted by Belly, Saturday, 23 November 2019 2:34:24 PM
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BELLY,
Cool! Have I shared this 7 point rave about Molten Salt Reactors here already? Forgive me if I have.

+ It *cannot* melt down because the fuel is already a liquid.
+ It requires power to keep the fuel up in the core and reacting. In a power failure the hot liquid salt pours down to the drain tank and the moment it cools to 400 C the salt crystalises into a solid block that's not going anywhere.
+ The Molten Chloride Salt Fast Reactor eats uranium and thorium and nuclear waste and nuclear warheads!
+ It burns all the longer-lived 'waste' out of it, getting 90 times the energy out of the waste, turning a 100,000 year storage problem into today's energy solution.
+ The final wastes are fission products that you melt into ceramic blocks and bury under the reactor carpark for 300 years. Then they're safe! Your whole life would only result in 1 golf ball of waste. That volume for Australia would only come to 1.4 Sydney Olympic pools of nuclear waste after 70 years of abundant, reliable, carbon free electricity!
+ Uranium from seawater can run the world for billions of years. It's essentiall 'renewable' because geological activity and erosion tops up the oceans.
+ Dr James Hansen, the world's most famous climatologist, says we need nuclear power and we should look to the history of the French. They built out a mostly nuclear grid in just 15 years. It can be done, fast and cheap. The French electricity bill is about half Germany's, and Germany is only a third done with their unreliable wind and solar plan. According to Hansen the choice is nuclear power or climate change.
Posted by Max Green, Saturday, 23 November 2019 2:36:36 PM
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So no Physics papers to show that the Hiroshima bomb analogy is anything other than propaganda designed to fool the unwary.....Figures.

And no acknowledgement that even though those bombs sound scary (to the dupes) its a rounding error in regards to the amount of heating we get from the big yellow thing in the sky each second.

Still Cook designed it to scare the dills in our midst and he succeeded, so begrudging kudos to him on that front.

Oh I mentioned 'homogenised' and off Max goes. Of coarse its a standard term in the science but Max seems unaware of that. Hell, you can even go to the NASA site and find data they call 'homogenised'. But somehow its a big scary word to Max - like the A-Bomb.

I said you can find the data in both the homogenised and unhomogenised sets but Max wants to ignore those facts and needs to find some way of doing so.

There's also another thing at play here. The Maxes of the world have become reliant on a few talking points and can't really handle any nuance. So he's desperate to label everyone who doesn't agree 100% with his daffy views as deniers. So he goes from me using a word that NASA uses as a matter of coarse to deciding it proves I'm a tin-foil hat denier. Funny while also sad.

Oh, and all the while ignoring the point.

Same with the pause. Firstly he uses Wikipedia as his source. Obviously never heard of William Connelly. Well comment on that rogue is probably banned at the Conversation. And then reverts to 30 year rule talking point.

Of coarse the 30 year rule only applies when it suits. Temperature rises between 1980 and 1995 and we're all gunna die. Doesn't rise for the next 15 years. Nothing to see here- move along. They call that science </sarc>.

Oh and I didn't mention 1998 but that's part of 'Climate Change for Dummies' play-book, so Max just has to go there.

Nothing on the models and TCR. Very prudent.
Posted by mhaze, Saturday, 23 November 2019 2:49:36 PM
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Oh MHAZE, how desperately you whine!

First, you fulfilled my prediction that you would call the 4 Hiroshima bombs per second "Propaganda" again — how funny! You really don't like how much energy is actually redirected and bounced around by our CO2 molecules, do you? Yup, 4 Hiroshima bombs worth of *heat* is trapped. Every second. Yup, this is quite a small number compared to the amount of incoming sunlight hitting the earths' atmosphere at once, but remember not all of that makes it to the earth's surface to actually be re-radiated as heat. As NASA says:-

"Remember that the surface radiates the net equivalent of 17 percent of incoming solar energy as thermal infrared. However, the amount that directly escapes to space is only about 12 percent of incoming solar energy. The remaining fraction—a net 5-6 percent of incoming solar energy—is transferred to the atmosphere when greenhouse gas molecules absorb thermal infrared energy radiated by the surface."
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/features/EnergyBalance/page6.php

The fact that you paraphrased all this as "a rounding error in regards to the amount of heating we get from the big yellow thing" shows you've been influenced by the "Great Global Warming Swindle" swindle, written by Martin Durkin who was just jerkin his gherkin! Yup, sun big, earth small. Yup, lots of energy come down, only tiny bit trapped. Yup, comforting to deniers who like to sneer about things like they're watching Sesame Street, and appear to be stuck on concepts like big and little.

But it's not about the relative percent of something being 'big' or 'little', it's the thing's agency. It's power to do stuff. Try arguing with a cop next time you're booked for being over 0.05% blood alcohol! "But occifer, it's only half of a tenth of 1 pershent! It cannot do noffing to me osshifer?"

... continued...
Posted by Max Green, Saturday, 23 November 2019 3:28:02 PM
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