Banjo,

responding by the numbers.
1. One thing I have learned in life, and that is, nothing is constant.
A new discovery is only new until another comes along and contradicts the former, and in a completely different way.
Your Mr Boeckman is entitled to his opinion, but I am referring to human animals not his traditional animals.
For us human animals, society and nature are in concert and both reject the idea that same sex relationships are natural.
They are not.
They have been allowed to exist now, due to a weak and gutless people not having the courage to stand their ground and not allow this distortion of the natural order of humanity to be mis-directed and perverted, by a gutless and mis-guided type of humanity.
2. BTW, it was you who introduced hermaphrodites into this thread not I.
Go back and look up your entry on the 16th.
Normal or natural, both tell the same story.
Queers may exist by some flaw in their construction or creation, so because of this flaw that makes them abnormal.
The fact that every living thing is a product of nature is not in dispute.
Nature produces flaws every now and then.
Queers are just one of many.
3. The facts and the truth, more often than not vary from each other, so do not rely on that theory.
The facts tell us that being queer is natural, because nature produced them, but so also did nature produce all the those born with physical and mental impediments.
Does anyone have the courage to suggest they are "normal"?
They are still not the norm.
No I'm sorry folks, suck it up, grow a couple and just accept that these are imperfect forms of homo-sapiens, and define them accordingly, do not facilitate them as has recently happened, but by all means feel sorry or sympathy for them.

From the Homosexuals I have met, I see a dominant mother, an older dominant brother, no father present or weak family leader, unsuccessful relationships with the opposite gender, obsession with sexual experiment from early age. All of these are damaged persons, some prone to suicide, and emotionally insecure. Society today considers all this as normal, and even encourages these perversions as normal, because it happens anyway. We have groups that promote paedophilia as a sexual preference that is supposed to be normal, while we criminalise. We once criminalised homosexuals as social perverts. There will come a day shortly when men will be able to marry six year old's as a second wife.

Banjo, it’s not wise to use animals as an example in this issue. Yes, most animals practise some form of same sex interaction but studies have shown that this occurs when no female partners are available. It’s similar to saying sex within male prisons shows that a high number of male prisoners are homosexual, when in fact it is only a situational behaviour.
In fact, according to an article in BBC Earth, the only true homosexual animals are domestic male sheep, and humans.
Also, animal behaviour is not something we should aspire to, as animals also practise pedophilia, group rape, incest, and sex with inanimate objects.

The article states that environmental issues are involved in forming a homosexual tendency. Studies show that homosexuals suffer higher rates of sexual abuse as children and this may well explain not only the gay tendencies but future difficulties with violent relationships that is common in gay partnerships.
The other situation that leads me to believe gay behaviour is environmental is the fact that many lesbian women seem to have had previous relationships with men, including long marriages and having children. And the marriages seemed to have ended acrimoniously. So these women are not lesbian, they are bisexual and how much of this same sex attraction is the result of a damaging experience with the opposite sex?

if that's any help to you
Foxy,
thanks for your concern but I'm not gay.

Guess what! When you have all finished arguing with each other over something you have no control over - thinking that the other bloke will come around to your way of thinking - the situation will be exactly the same as it is now. Opinions are like arseholes: everyone has one, and they are not going to make any difference, no matter how right we think they are. Each of us has one lousy vote every four years, and those votes don't make any difference either because we will always get politicians; politicians who don't give a stuff about us or our puny opinions