To Foxy.

I'd argue that all matters of morals spill over into other matters as well. Or the other way around, the other matters spill over into the moral matters also. Homosexuality seems to show a higher rate of other issues then heterosexuality. Which at that point the question can be asked if they were born that way, or if the issues they went through as at a young age influence them in their trust or their sexuality.

On the other hand, with how frequent psychologists are able to find issues for their clients to keep treatment going, one other possibility is that a hetrosexual's history of issues might not be looked at as closely by the studies that found homosexuality with a higher degree of childhood problems.

Either way, I think any moral issue is going to take on other issues with it in it's wake.

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Dear ALTRAV,

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You wrote :

1. « … Mr Boeckman is entitled to his opinion, but I am referring to human animals not his traditional animals. For us human animals, society and nature are in concert and both reject the idea that same sex relationships are natural »

We are all an integral part of nature, ALTRAV, and all life forms have much in common. We human beings are members of the animal kingdom and the ape family. We share 98.8% of our DNA with chimpanzees and bonobos, our closest relatives.

There is ample scientific literature attesting to the fact that same sex relationships exist among many species of the animal kingdom, especially bonobos, and, as we all know, they also exist among human beings.

These relationships are “natural” for the simple reason that natural means “existing in or derived from nature”.

2. « They [homosexuals] have been allowed to exist now, due to a weak and gutless people not having the courage to stand their ground and not allow this distortion of the natural order of humanity to be mis-directed and perverted, by a gutless and mis-guided type of humanity »

That’s a pretty appalling statement, ALTRAV. What you are advocating is nothing less than the "racial hygiene” eugenics of German Nazism – which, if it were put into practise, would constitute a crime against humanity.

In Nazi Germany, homosexuals were often given the choice of sterilization, castration, or incarceration in a concentration camp. The Nazis justified this by reference to a law passed in 1871, under paragraph 175 of the German penal code, making homosexuality a criminal offense. Under the Nazis, thousands of persons were persecuted and punished on the charge of homosexuality. Many were sent to concentration camps where they had to wear a pink triangle (rosa Windel) which singled them out for particularly harsh, cruel treatment. Not many of them survived.

Unless you change your mentality, ALTRAV, I have no intention of discussing this matter with you any further.

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Dear Not_Now.Soon,

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You wrote :

The few homosexual couples I have known over the years are very respectable, intelligent, highly cultured people. They are well-mannered, polite and discreet.

They do not live in gay communities or frequent gay bars. There has never been the slightest suggestion that they take drugs. Nor have I ever remarked that they abuse of alcoholic beverages of any sort.

One of the couples I have in mind is the Australian ambassador to France and his husband :

http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/dec/08/australian-ambassador-france-proposes-marriage-equality-passes

Allow me to suggest that you might like to reflect upon the psychological an sociological effects of the attitude of parents, Church, fellow students, work colleagues and the wider community in general to homosexuals.

Homosexuality is not a default of nature, an illness, a sin or a personal fault of the individual. He or she is a normal person like all other normal persons. Some are black. Some are white. Some are yellow. Some are pigmies. Some have slanted eyes. Some have round eyes. Some are twins, triplets, quadruplets. Some are homosexual. Some are bisexual. Some are transgender, etc., etc., etc., …

If we accept that they are all normal, the world will be a better place.

They are not the problem. We are.

It's not up to them. It's up to us.

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It's a pity you didn't write that, Not_Now.Soon.

Unfortunately, I had to do it.

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Dear Banjo Paterson,

I will admit you had me going before the last post.

Really well put.

Thank you.

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Dear Big Nana,

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Thank you for that interesting post. I appreciate it.

I’m sure there’s a lot of truth in it. However, I have read a number of research papers by people who have spent many years studying animal behaviour in their wild conditions and natural surroundings and their findings are different from those of the BBC Earth article you mention.

If you have any other sources of interest, perhaps you would be kind enough to share them with me too.

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