Dear Banjo P.,

Thank You for taking the time to respond to me.
However for me this discussion has now run
its course. I have always believed that a
person's religion as well as their sexual
orientation is a personal and private matter
as long as it does no physical or psychological harm
to those involved.

I always read your posts and learn so much from them.

You and a few others are the reasons I continue to
stay on this forum.

Warmest Regards.

Well I don't know about anyone else but after the last two entries, I can feel myself getting nauseous again.
It usually happens when someone keeps sucking up to others, and keep repeating the obvious to the point of.....you guessed it, ad-nauseam!
A simple and short acknowledgement will suffice, not some prolonged drivel, which adds absolutely no valid content to the discussion in question.

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Dear Not_Now.Soon,

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You ask :

« 'No gay gene.' Does new study have faults or hold merit ? »
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Gene or no gene, what does it matter ?

Never mind !

What is mind ?

No matter !

What is the soul ?

That is immaterial !

If you don’t agree with that, Not_Now.Soon, I don’t mind.

Mind you, you may be right, and I may be wrong, but that’s another matter.

I guess it’s just a question of mind over matter.

As matter of fact, I think it’s all in the mind !

What’s the matter with that ?

For God’s sake, whatever you do, Not_Now.Soon, don’t change your mind :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUN1901jJxU

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To SteeleRedux.

First point:

If you wish to talk about abuse in heterosexual relationships then a question before going there. What good will that focus do for homosexuals? Straight relationships aren't going to effect a homosexual, unless they are a family member in an abusive heterosexual relationship. In fact focusing on heterosexual issues can only solve heterosexual issues. There are different dynamics in straight couples and gay couples. One of the easiest dynamics to see is the lack of options for finding a better mate in homosexual relationships. Really cuts the options of leaving for being treated poorly and seeking someone who meets your standards.

Second point:

By pointing out issues to watch for in straight relationships, would that count as straight bashing? Or just being aware? Why the double standard for avoiding the issues in homosexuality? Problems in heterosexual relationships are worth looking at, knowing enough to not get involved sketchy relationships, and seeking justice when people are abused. That does not mean that problems in homosexual relationships should be ignored, because of abuse in straight couples.

Third point:

I posted this Sunday September 15 at 9:17pm. Reread it, and then reread any of my other posts to see if I have ever been part of gay bashing. In the future don't slander a person who is actually trying to help, while you are too eager to change the subject matter, and silence matters that are inconvenient to your philosophy or to your politics.

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Originally posted September 15 at 9:17pm
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If there's a gay gene, then homosexuality can be passed off as natural, normal, or at least conveniently something no one has a choice about and should be tolerated and accepted.

If there is no gay gene that changes the things quite a bit. Then all of the sudden the issue of being gay and having the issues that are part of that are no longer just passed off as "just born that way." The issues you see and hear but don't focus on, don't have to be accepted as if this is just how it is. Heterosexuality is not full of saints and healthy relationships, however the rate of unhealthy sexual practices, unhealthy relationships, and issues with depression, drugs, and alcoholism are so high among the homosexual population that this should not go unnoticed. Especially if one of the common stories among gays is that they wouldn't choose to be gay if they had a choice, and that they've tried to be straight.

No, if genetics is not to blame then either A) homosexuality is a choice. (Too many homosexuals tried to choose not being gay and fail for this to be the case). Or B) there is environmental forces at play. Basically that we as a society have forced this lifestyle on some people because of the harms we allow to have their negative influence have influenced homosexuals to be gay without their choosing.

On the other hand if there are genetic influences as well as environmental influences, then the issue of society influencing people to be gay is still bad enough to try and identify the non-genetic influences. Maybe see if we can "fix" society and actually have compassion on homosexuals, instead of trying to have tolerance on an unhealthy compulsion that they have little choice about. (Celibacy is still an option regardless if a person is gay or not. To many unhealthy relationships exist because of people think it's better to be in a bad relationship then it is to be in no relationship)
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I try to look at situations based on facts, not emotions. The issue of homosexuality has always been based on emotional responses, both for and against.
One of the most frequent supporting arguments is that because some animals engage in homosexual behaviour, then of course it is natural. That argument falls apart if we consider that no, these animals are bisexual, and that animals also engage in pedophilia, gang rape, and incest. Surely no one is suggesting we should accept this behaviour because animals do it. Homosexuality was once regarded with the same feeling of repugnance that incest is still regarded, yet no one can give me any logical reason why consenting adults should not engage in an incestuous relationship, their response is always based on emotion.
But the defining factor for me is the biological aspect of sodomy. 40 years of nursing taught me that the human body is a miracle of design, that every single unit in the body, down to a single cell, is designed for a specific purpose, and that all systems work together to keep the body healthy whenever possible. Sodomy does not fit into these systems, in any way. The body was never designed for this activity, in fact it is actually harmful, and cannot be performed painlessly without external aids. This tells me that sodomy is not a natural act that the body was designed for and whilst I have no problem accepting that it exists and treating gays with respect, I can never see this as something people were born with or a natural act.
I’m far more convinced that environmental factors factor strongly in this behaviour.