I did expect the thread to bring some ideas about why the conservatives are stalled in an election year sadly it did not happen.
John Howard a partly deaf old fellow seems unable to come up with anything of worth.
Taking over one hospital? gee a classic move!
Funding rebel council? brilliant John did the missus play a part in that?
Writing to that bloke in Iraq saying get your act together or I will? well hold my breath!
And the thuggish unionists one is a grin! watch them John if Rudd gets in they may even repeat the Hawk accord!
Without doubt the debate will be one I enjoy post election but why not now?

Belly
Ah! There You are dodging our questions again.
Please Belly can you answer the above Question?
Ok Lets make it easy and do One at a time.
Whats Rudd doing about this outragous move the comply with extreme Muslims in third world countries and do ritual slaugher here in Australia?
Does Kevin Rudd agree Australia should be tunred into a country of Muslim Ritual Slaughters?
It wont look good for your party Belly if you dont at least answer that.
So we are asking nicely will kevin please help us to stop the Government from turning Australia into a Muslim Country slaughtering Animals without pre stunning which of course is totally barbaric.
Under A Labour Government are we going to allow Australia to be made a Musim Ritual Slaughter country.
That means all our meat will be a sacrifice to allah and the animals will die a most horrible evil death.
Are Labour going to put a stop to this?
Please Answer our question

Paleif said “I REALLY value my privacy Belly and the thought of people just rocking up at my work place angers me to be honest.”

It astounds me that you cannot understand a union trying to protect the welfare of its members and yet be so concerned with the welfare of animals. Are animals more important? Shouldn’t workers health and safety also be a concern?

As I am sure you are aware live export beef accounts for about 6% of total beef exports from Australia. I assume the third world countries you refer to are Indonesia and Malaysia, which can hardly be described as radical Islamic nations. They get the vast majority of live beef. Surely we can work with these democratic countries to ensure that live beef are not subjected to cruel slaughter practices.

I would support you in banning these practises in Australia. However your over the top claims regarding Australia turning into a Muslim country are ridiculous.

Belly,

I support unionism, but you must have been aware of some of the more shocking excesses of the union movement during the Hawke and Keating years. The Australian shipping industry was practically third world in its operation due to the onerous union demands. Local councils used to have three blokes watching for every worker actually doing something. Mining operations were virtual hostages to rolling strikes.

We do need unions to help protect workers rights. We just need honest ones, not extortionists

Paul
Please See
http://www.halakindmeats.com/

Its clear you have not heard. Howards is it to make available Kosha and Halal Ritual Slaughter to be carried out in Australia.

You are talking to the person who has worked to bring Malaysia ME and Brunie to Australia.

The reason we only have a small percentage leaving here chilled is trade dollars which support the few live exporters but does nil for Australia shipping out our jobs and raw materials in its most valuable form.
ie Sheep- The wool on its back and the jobs that go with it- tans hides- and those jobs. Small good from bi products electrians plastics plumbers tea ladies cleaners. packers- Do you want me to go on or do you have the picture. They buy our jobs

Are we really going to sit back and see Australia turned into An Islamic Ritual Slaughter Country?
Rodger Feltcher does export chilled Halal by using pre stunning which has been readly excepted by certain Muslim Islamic Councils world wide.
He is able to run meat works and deal with Muslim people requiring Halal.
Dont you feel this wonderful Australian Man who provides jobs should be used and supported by our Government.?

Should he be put out of business in favour of
cruel Ritual demands from the more extreme Muslims.

Do you fully understand the rules of Islam and Halal.
It goes much much further than just the meat. It goes to the very heart of thousands of industries - Such as Cooking oils perfumes all products used in cooking and cleaning.
And last but not least what about lowering the standars of our Animal Welfare?>
Doesnt it matter that these animals die in fear and absolute cruelty?
Have you seen in person the difference between Ritual halal Slaughters and our Australia method of knocking them first with a stun gun or bolt.
I have and I know which is the best.
The ONLY reason this lot WONT except pre stunning is because it was introduced by the west.
The other Muslim people readily except it and have for many years.

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Paul fyi

http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&cr=countryAU&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=+abc+ritual+slaughter+halal+kosher+australia+&spell=1

Make no mistake. AFIC President told me in person at a meeting with QLD State Government they wanted AQIS to hand over the acreditation for Halal Slaughter in Australia.
To quote Ikabel
- After all Wendy what would AFIC know about Halal accreditations they are not Muslims.
Thats right Ikabel
We are not Muslims and this is NOT an Islamic Country;.
I do understand the fact you feel between a rock and a hard place.
You feel Australians are against islamic Slaughter. You also know there is nosuch thing as an Australian Muslim because you ALL must follow Allah.
Its really not the Muslim peoples fault.
Its the Australian Government that brought your people here in the first place without laying down support for you and clear guidelines.

You also think Aussies are having a go at Muslims just for the sake of it.
No- Thats not it- We WONT allow cruel ritual slaughter without pre stunning in the name of anybody.
Bottom Line. This is Australia not Islam
Australians say NO to ritual slaughters. How dare you go against the RSPCA which is our Animal Welfare authority.
No pre stuuning- the Answer is NO!

If you care Paul m too look at my posts you will find I am a supporter of non radical unionism.
In threads such as unions a difference exists I have tried to get outsiders to understand that is true.
While a great pro workers site exists I left it rather than forever war with a few from the extreme left, it gets no one any place.
It is my honestly and firmly held view extremism is harming some unions, and in truth this view gets me in trouble.
The very radical throw more mud at me than the worst bosses, but a quick review will find my delegates and it is true, are refugees from radical unions.
We have our wins by negotiations, not threats.
Consider this, how many Aussies truly vote extreme left, leave out the childlike and false view Labor is extreme left it is clearly just a lie.
Then if we agree it is far less than 10% how can the true radical extremists look for more members?
You can not plant spuds and expect to harvest pumpkins.
unions a difference has always existed and I am proud of mines past and its present and looking future to its even better future.