Surely it is time to ask is Howard the only leader this government has?
Finding more untruths to throw at Labor is not working, fear of a trade union run government is so funny it will not either.
Taking over one hospital in one state? mid term an offer was on the table for federal government take over nationally, Howard firmly rejected it!
Involvement in QLD local government dispute? can this be the best Johny has?
Is it not clear the mud is sticking but to the hands that throw it?
What can conservative Australia do to denie me the greatest night of my life election night?
I am practicing my victory tune ,By By By Johny Good By.

you are too easily satisfied, belly

DEMOS I have looked at all your posts with interest, sometimes agreed mostly not.
The type of government you wish for is not standing for election this year.
If it did now or any time in the next ten thousand years it is unlikely it would be elected.
The things I see as the sins of the Howard outgoing government if posted here would get three full posts to just Begin to cover them all.
I think I am much closer to the thing you are so remote from, reality, and a victory over John Howard is a thing of joy.
I challenge true conservatives in this thread to question my claim Howard had a great never seen before mandate from 2004 yet he wasted it in his personal spite filled campaigns.
DEMOS my election night party is not at risk, it will be a celebration of victory for my country and return to honesty in the house.
Without doubt it is a two horse race and I set my eyes on victory for the only party running who has not yet abandoned its own people.

Belly,

My own reading of this (and keep in mind I could be viewed as a biased opinion due to my own political aspirations) is that the people of this country are being offered a more "socially concious" version of Howard.

They hear things like "economic conservatism" at the same time as "Fairer employment framework" and think "yes we can have our cake and eat it".

The Australian Labor Scab Party

Belly you would be aware off what a scab is, and the Labor Party has made the grade.
Do you require a new whiteboard to remove all knowledge.

So it seems that the australian labor scab party has extreme memory loss and does not recall a t-shirt, but this is not all, the unions have also got the same problem.

Scab on the workers
Scab on the manufacturing sector

Stab their own people in the back
What will they do to us

No Belly. More likely stunned by the fact that Labor has once again allowed itself to be lead by a man who apparently has no direction. And no friends within the ALP either.
Stunned too by the way Laborites want to deify their leaders, and invest in them qualities that their records do not suggest.
Doctor Death and the Ambulance Chaser!

It is worth noting rather than true debate from conservatives the thread has bought fourth claims that the ALP is in conservative hands.
Tapp you will make no headway in this election, you are in truth lost in a world of your own.
Elections are judgment day things each voter expresses his or her views on our future directions.
No party not based in the middle of voters home territory can be elected.
For past working class warriors of the left the message must be spoken, the lights on the hill not longer burn on hungry children.
Those kids grew up, they may well own 2 homes and earn $90.000 a year working in an Aluminum smelter.
The wife maybe earns more.
Or even more in a construction job, once they still voted ALP Howard took advantage of a sleeping leaderless direction less ALP and made them the new conservatives.
Howard quite bizarrely made Labors mistake! he took his battlers for granted and lost them.
Kevin Rudd found him self in charge of the ALP and knew he had one chance handed to him by an old man out of touch and he took it, he will be Prime Minister.
I can not say I will like every thing he does or even like him in 18 months.
But he is going to be liked in large numbers ,huge poll leader by most Australians.
Conservatives will be a better party for the flogging they are about to get, after a long healing and rebuilding process.
And the ALP will have shifted yet again toward the people it represents.
Would you Tapp be more happy if it kept yesterdays policy's and lost every election?
Tapp can you justifies your post? its rudeness? its intense hate?
Be here Tapp please be here the day after the election to let me remind you how I predicted your loss .
I have no fear of a Labor retreat on its promises, the fight will continue if it is needed but another Howard government is a living nightmare.

JAMES PURSER...for SENATE :)

Hi James.. I had a peek at your web site and your little vid.. nice to know you.

I noticed one thing you stated "All these things bandied around (Defense,Aboriginal welfare etc) seem to only advance someone's political career, not fix the problem"....

OOOOh myyy :) now... Knock knock..helooooo... while I'm sure your heart (at this stage) is well intended, does it occurr to you that your own use of those issues is intended to advance your own career ?
Of course it does, and you are sincere in the belief that such things can be 'fixed' apart from advancing or restricting someone's political career... ?

I'd call that slightly naive mate.. no offence. You are strong on idealism, and short on the realities of political life it seems.
Still, I wish you well in your quest, and hopefully you can be the 'political stun gun' that stuns Kevin Rudd and John Howard into more 'human' thinking rather than simply 'political'.

James.. remember how they treated Hanson ? It happened because they deemed her a serious threat. That will happen to ANYone deemed a real threat.

I hardly think a lone 30 yr old from Woolongong is suddenly going to 'solve' "Defense" "Aboriginal Welfare" and the other things overnight or in 20 full terms in parliament.

We need a national awakening like this:
http://www.welshrevival.com/

When a nation humbles itself before Almighty God, things can and do happen... far and wide.

BOAZ,

Believe it or not, I'm not doing this for the glory, if I wanted that I'd have joined a party and gone that route.

I am seriously annoyed at short sighted policy development, and if I can give the major parties a boot towards long term planning then all the better.

As to religion, I respect everyones right to hold their own beliefs, but I do not believe that people have the right to try and convert others.

My post

the unaustralian labor scab party

lets cross the picket line and do as labor and the unions do

SUPPORT OVERSEAS SWEAT SHOPS

Get it

Labor says quite loudly australian manufacturing who cares " NOT US"

Lets buy from those who are treated badly and paid next to nothing.

Lets not support australian workers or their families.

Lets help those bosses of overseas sweatshops get richer.

Greg Combet is so thick that he has no idea, being lead around by his hand.
The only reason he speaks is because someone rights his material.

Did ask him about the Sweat shop T shirts but didnt know about them and the kevin07 campaign, YEAH RIGHT.

Also the unions are blind to this.

Stuart Ulrich
Independent for Charlton

Saying what needs to be said
If you dont like the truth get out

Stuart,

“If you dont like the truth get out”

what on earth gives you the idea that
a) you actually have a handle on what is the truth and what’s not
b) you can tell anyone to get out

People have moved on from the days of class struggle. Union power has been smashed because it had become the problem rather than the solution in improving the lives of workers. Australians are now wealthier than they have ever been before.

The politics of envy is base however it is still alive and well. Studies show that Australians would prefer
a) A 50% pay rise if their colleagues only got 25% than
b) A 100% pay rise if their colleagues received 200%

However, Howards work choices legislation goes too far. It gives too much power to business and neglects the rights of the worker. Hopefully Rudd will scrap the IR laws or at the very least, make them fairer.

Howard, in general, has become one of the worst prime ministers we have had. He has shown that he will do anything to win an election. His recent vote buying exercises in Tasmania (hospital) and in Qld (local councils) show he has no principles at all. He has turned his back on the issues he purported to believe in, in the quest to retain power. I can’t wait to see the back of him.

Australian manufacturing was a backwards, overprotected industry which was stagnating and yet successive federal gov’ts rewarded them for it.

New manufactures are now at the forefront of global technology and productivity and can compete with the world’s best. Those who have been left behind deserve the resources necessary to successfully retrain them for the modern workplace. We cannot retain unskilled manual labour jobs as there are too many who can do these jobs overseas for a pittance. We need to focus on our comparative advantage, which is our skills and knowledge base.

What is it with Labor voters like Belly? Still months away from polling day and already gloating about victory. We've heard all this prior to the the past 3 Federal Elections and seen the egg on all the usual faces on each occasion. Will they never learn how not to make fools of themselves?

No, they won't! And that's because they MUST be fools to vote Labor in the first place. How else to explain that they never wake up?

For example, when Bob Hawke ends up a multi-millionaire business tycoon after 20 years leading the Union Movement, don't his disciples wonder what gives? When Paul Keating (or his sister, or his sons and daughters) sit on half the boards in half the companies down at the "Big End of Town", don't the true-believers rub their eyes in amazement? And when Kevin Rudd talks about helping the worker, but shares his bed with someone worth TWO HUNDRED MILLION bucks who has perenniallly found ways to dud these very same workers, don't the Bellies of this world ever stop to consider all this? Nope. All seems quite normal to them. And, I fear, it always will. Cheers

Punter 57 want to bet? do you understand that right now Rudd stands in the polls exactly the same as Howard did in 1996?
Do you think other than a change is even a possibility?
Tapp no anger no spite just an under standing of politics, you will run last or second last in your electorate, unless a last minute rush of garden Gnomes runs in the seat.
My party's candidate will win, with an increased majority over the last election.
On that day we judge our leader no party other than the coalition and Labor can be elected to rule.
The winner must work on behalf of ALL Australians not a few radicals.
Be assured Stu I take your spite in good heart, it belittles you not me.
To stand for election you must improve your public image.
Labor Can not rap its self in false colors it must be what it is and that is no scab party.
Stu, fairdinkum mate not a taunt do you have any idea, a true understanding ,of why our manufacturing industry is suffering?
Or a balanced idea of world trade?
Stu would you have us lock out foreign goods even if it saw our primary produce locked out too?

No I do not expect to lock up foreign goods but i do expect a party and unions not to backflip and buy sweatshop goods.

I expect them to do as they say not as they do.

I expect them to stand for the people and not just themselves

I expect them to answer when questioned wether or not they like the question

I expect them to be honest enought to be truthful to the people

I expect them when they have done wrong to say so instead off cutting off takes to hide the fact

I expect these scabs to stand up and apologise to those who they should be supporting.

I do expect them to be in the know on whats going on instead of playing dumb.

I do not expect a lot, but in the view of the alp and unions would be way too much.

I can be threatened to be taken outside and be sorted
I can have people reverse into my car
I can have my letterbox trashed

But i will not take garbage and silence from you or anyone else because of obedience from expulsion.

Stuart Ulrich
Independent Candidate for Charlton

How childish and pathetic unfortunately the Conservatives have now got their backs to the wall and acting like fascists. The Conservatives can bleat on as much as they like about Union Bosses and Union Bully boys but the electorate know that the adverts and the snyde remarks are just not true. People are suffering and they now know that the Howard Government have shown their hand in showing their hatred on working people and their representatives. The facts now show that the Government have made workers worse off and the moderates in the Government do not like it. A genuine reasonable Consevative would never use those bully boy tactics that Peter Reith and Kevin Andrews have used. Social History has always shown us that when democratic governments attack employees the electorate votes them out. This is natural and democracy levels the scales back to fairness. Howard would not be in the position that he is in now if he had not used his dictatorship to attack employees they were already struggling in hospitality etc what Howard and Andrews did was to show the Australian people that we now have a heartless Government which is blinkered. The rich get rich and the poor are becoming poorer the Church leaders told them and Howard ignored them now Howard is wasting our money on quick fixes. At last the Australian people have realised people have to suffer in a capitalist society before they realise who thier true representatives are. The next Conservative leader will be the republican Richard Turnball.

Tapp in no way can you refer to me as a bully boy, I have thoughts about your remoteness to reality and understanding of politics that I will keep to myself.
I have true concerns at your failure to understand no government was ever elected in this country other than by a majority of voters.
It pains me that you a person standing for election, seems unable to understand your ideas may be shared by only a few.
You however have the right to your failures ,including the one you face in the election.
SCAB? you are aware how much contempt I have for those who deserve that label.
Yet even you understand you use it wrongly, reinvent your self! find policy's, they sell a party far better than mud.
If you put your best into this election you can improve your vote! maybe even get one thousand votes!
Oh by the way mate you must not paint yourself a hero, no offense Stu but if your public speaking is as disjointed you must expect trouble.
However those ,if they did who damage your letter box ext are not doing it in fear you may win, unless its the gnomes party watch for them mate bit set in their ways that mob.

Belly
If there is one person I will think of on election night its you. I hope you keep on OLO that evening if your not going to help out at the polls.

I almost hope he wins so not to spoil your night. You remind me of an excited child.
I admire your loyalty if nothing else.
Now could you please Answer this question?
Who else in the ALP do you admire and why?
Other than Kevin Rudd.

James P
thank you for your response.

I'm not suggesting you are in it for the glory.. no drama there. Maybe you are a bit idealistic... naive ? don't know, only time will tell.

I think at some point, you will find yourself up against an almost impenetrable barrier of 'vested interest'.. on either major side of politics. If you become too much of a pest, then they will do a 'Hanson' on you.. but if ur just a mild irritant of no electoral consequence, then they will just regard you as irrelevant. Though if you got up and a tight battle was being fought, your 'relevance' would suddenly take an upswing :)

Regarding religion, the freedom to convert is one of our most basic rights, because it is most important for freedom. Once you take away that right, you have totalitarianism, and this is most pronounced in both Islamic and Catholic run societies.

Freedom of religion, means freedom to embrace, and freedom to express/or proclaim. It sure is NOT the right to blast John 3:16 up at sleeping shift workers in the Fiztroy High rise flats as I saw one bloke doing once.

We can choose to watch or not watch, listen, or not listen, read or not read. The biblical position is:

"How shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?" (Romans 10:14)

I certainly don't believe in 'badgering' people, but b4 I'm accused of 'that' here :) people know they can simply see 'BOAZ' and change the chanel.

Your thoughts about sustainable or far sighted policy ? I STRONGLY urge you to make a trip to see AMAZING GRACE and get an inkling of exactly what William Wilberforce was up against in his attempt to rid us of the slave trade. Its a great movie, well acted, and very telling.

BOAZ,

See this where we're going to have a conflict. I happen to think that my right not to pestered by people wanting to convert me outweighs you right to try and convert me.

I have no problem with your right to hold a certain set of beliefs, I may disagree with them at a fundamental level, but they are yours and I do not have that right to take them off you. What I ask in return is that you treat me with the same respect.

Pale I in Truth am ALP to the boots straps Rudd has surprised me and impressed me.
I value truth, true I do! I once referred to him as KRUDD! he however has a great future.
Who else? Bill Shorten, he will one day make a great Prime Minster soon he will if justice prevails be a good minister.
I must admit in my view it is time not to forget the past, not to turn away from our proud past but to understand Labor must serve the country not a faction of it.
And that my great pride in the union movement must not hide some actions of some unions are wrong and that such extremism is rarely supported by the share holders of unionism our members.
However while no return to pre 1996 unionism will take place without balance and fairness unions must and will fight on long after Howard's train wreck.
Key words, balance, fairness, not radical.
Finally pale if only you could share my day today, come with me into rural NSW visit 8 workplaces travel near 400 klm.
See the true pain of lower income good loyal well liked workers, inflicted by bosses too willing to use workchoices against sometimes lifelong friends and workers.
You would understand a good honest union is no enemy to a good honest boss.
And that being in a union can be no indication you are evil or unAustralian.
That is how I think, and how I live that is why the extremists in my movement say my union is Australia's Weakest Union we talk first, we gain more members, we understand war is no answer best left till you can talk no more not started as you enter a site.

Belly

Thanks for that honest reply. I think just about everbody likes Bill because he comes across well. Hes a blokes bloke.

I dont know belly as sure as hell I dont like The Howard Government.
I know if I say anything you take it personally so I try to cut down on my cracks now.
Half the time its to see you bite for a bit of fun- sorry but at least I am being honest.
I REALLY value my privacy Belly and the thought of people just rocking up at my work place angers me to be honest.

Cant these people write letters and request a meeting or out lay their concerns in writing 'if they had one.' That way the funds could be put into court cases.
If those places you visit find serious problems within the law the offenders should be put through court- Simply.

Kevin as you know is up here and let me tell you he refused to vote to enlarge our water supply years ago.
I am sorry belly but to me that dosent show he has much leadership protential.

I gave Kevin a huge oportunity last year when we went docs pointing out something to him he could have and should have used against the Howard Government at the AWB Enquiry.

That aside could you please enquire for us from your party if they intend to oppose ritual slaughter of animals for Kosha and Halal In Australia.
The Howard Government have lied to the RSPCA and I know there has been meetings to allow this barbaric treatment right here in Australia. Its a five billion dollar a year industry and growing.
Is Kevin going to stop Australia being turned into a country that operates under extremist Islamic Law?
I dont hear him objecting Belly.
Would you please ask your parties position on this and if they are going to STOP the low life Howard Government from throwing this country back into the dark ages and lower our animal welfare standards.
If he says yes - Hes got our! votes.

Dear People against live exports, I suggest that yo do join the ALP to guide the party to where you would like it to go. You have compassion and concern for animals and that virtue means that you care for people. We need people like you to place forward motions banning live exports. Yes it is cruel just as progressives like Wilberforce brought about the abolition of slavery so we must do it to abolish live exports. We need activists such as Green Peace to stop whaling will Rudd take on the Japanese I hope so if they come into our waters some of my family are Japanese they are Budhists and detest the whaling. Just as we cannot be blamed for the attrocities that Blair, Bush and Howard have done in Iraq with their depleted uranium cluster bombs. Already Rudd has shown conservatism in expanding uranium mining, supported by Bill Shorten, Logging of old growth forests so much for Climate Change while we subsidise Indonesia and Malaysia not to do this hypocritical. Also paying the rich to provide rentals to those who have no chance of owning their own home because the investors beat them to it. Marx was right about the Labour Party it certainly does not serve the proletariat. That is why progressives must join the Labor Party otherwise it will be no different that the coalition. Hawke and Keating sold off Qantas and the Commonwealth Bank now we all suffer exhorbitant Bank Charges we need a Government Owned Bank as quickly as possible.

Bronco Lane

Thanks but the problem is Kevin Rudd has already said- He has no intention of banning Live Animal Exports either.
To Quote him' "I wont be banning Live Exports". "I understand these things"- "We used to have a beef farm."
Well we understand THESE THINGS TOO MR HOWARD AND MR RUDD and so does the public and 60 Minuntes. Trade dollars!- Mr Vaile Shame on The Nationals.

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Labour has an appauling record of Animal Welfare Bronco.
Well we understand these things too and the reasons are as stated above bronco- Feeding the chooks.
Your right Australia needs leadership but sending a raw material off in raw form which is our most valable form along with our jobs only helps a very few involved in the barbaric trade and the parties they donate to to shamefully allow it to contiune.
Did you knoew Bronco that in the past twenty years pluss at least two tax payer enquiries all recomonded that the cruel Live Animal was banned immediatly?
Ok Now I am asking WHAT Kevin Rudd is doing to STOP Ritual Slaughter In Australia?
I cant hear him objecting can you?
Is he really going to allow the Howard Government to turn Australia into some third country run by allah?.
Its cruel and completly unnessary as many Muslims readily except pre stunning for Halal. And WHAT about Kosha ?- Its worse. Skinning Animal Alive a pocking them over and over for the Dews. Thats being done HERE!
You know there is another party actually. Pauline Hanson is starting another one in QLD.
Maybe shes prepaired to speak up about cruel Ritual Slaughter in ASustralia and Muslims brining down our already weak Animal Welfare policys.
Do you really think bronco Australia should turn into a third world Islamic Country? Because thats whats happening and I DONT hear a peak from belly or Kevin?

Pale lets not cuddle! you may not have noticed but I like a bit of verble tennis now and then too.
Your right to privacy is respected but my members right to a fair go at work is too, in truth you must confront the fact some bosses are bad bosses.
My trek of yesterday mostly found issues that could be fixed, often little more than mistakes.
No blood was shed no enemy's made and the major issue was from a large international firm.
That firm represented by a foolish person had refused to pay a good amount , over $2000 in back pay to one worker.
Paid it on demand and after refusing to for two months said it was a mistake.
No government of any type none at all, can fill every ones wishes.
In removing John Howard, doing the work his party lacks the guts to do for it, we will see better government.
Review my posts and others in 12 months, by then Australia will be well in the middle of a love affair with prime minister Kevin Rudd.
At that time I may not be.
My total belief in the best of the union movement is forever.
Like it or not I talk of the best nothing else.
It is time for those who ride in comfort within the trade union movement using it but not contributing to it or this great fight to restore it by removing Howard to get of the fence nothing but total effort will do.

I did expect the thread to bring some ideas about why the conservatives are stalled in an election year sadly it did not happen.
John Howard a partly deaf old fellow seems unable to come up with anything of worth.
Taking over one hospital? gee a classic move!
Funding rebel council? brilliant John did the missus play a part in that?
Writing to that bloke in Iraq saying get your act together or I will? well hold my breath!
And the thuggish unionists one is a grin! watch them John if Rudd gets in they may even repeat the Hawk accord!
Without doubt the debate will be one I enjoy post election but why not now?

Belly
Ah! There You are dodging our questions again.
Please Belly can you answer the above Question?
Ok Lets make it easy and do One at a time.
Whats Rudd doing about this outragous move the comply with extreme Muslims in third world countries and do ritual slaugher here in Australia?
Does Kevin Rudd agree Australia should be tunred into a country of Muslim Ritual Slaughters?
It wont look good for your party Belly if you dont at least answer that.
So we are asking nicely will kevin please help us to stop the Government from turning Australia into a Muslim Country slaughtering Animals without pre stunning which of course is totally barbaric.
Under A Labour Government are we going to allow Australia to be made a Musim Ritual Slaughter country.
That means all our meat will be a sacrifice to allah and the animals will die a most horrible evil death.
Are Labour going to put a stop to this?
Please Answer our question

Paleif said “I REALLY value my privacy Belly and the thought of people just rocking up at my work place angers me to be honest.”

It astounds me that you cannot understand a union trying to protect the welfare of its members and yet be so concerned with the welfare of animals. Are animals more important? Shouldn’t workers health and safety also be a concern?

As I am sure you are aware live export beef accounts for about 6% of total beef exports from Australia. I assume the third world countries you refer to are Indonesia and Malaysia, which can hardly be described as radical Islamic nations. They get the vast majority of live beef. Surely we can work with these democratic countries to ensure that live beef are not subjected to cruel slaughter practices.

I would support you in banning these practises in Australia. However your over the top claims regarding Australia turning into a Muslim country are ridiculous.

Belly,

I support unionism, but you must have been aware of some of the more shocking excesses of the union movement during the Hawke and Keating years. The Australian shipping industry was practically third world in its operation due to the onerous union demands. Local councils used to have three blokes watching for every worker actually doing something. Mining operations were virtual hostages to rolling strikes.

We do need unions to help protect workers rights. We just need honest ones, not extortionists

Paul
Please See
http://www.halakindmeats.com/

Its clear you have not heard. Howards is it to make available Kosha and Halal Ritual Slaughter to be carried out in Australia.

You are talking to the person who has worked to bring Malaysia ME and Brunie to Australia.

The reason we only have a small percentage leaving here chilled is trade dollars which support the few live exporters but does nil for Australia shipping out our jobs and raw materials in its most valuable form.
ie Sheep- The wool on its back and the jobs that go with it- tans hides- and those jobs. Small good from bi products electrians plastics plumbers tea ladies cleaners. packers- Do you want me to go on or do you have the picture. They buy our jobs

Are we really going to sit back and see Australia turned into An Islamic Ritual Slaughter Country?
Rodger Feltcher does export chilled Halal by using pre stunning which has been readly excepted by certain Muslim Islamic Councils world wide.
He is able to run meat works and deal with Muslim people requiring Halal.
Dont you feel this wonderful Australian Man who provides jobs should be used and supported by our Government.?

Should he be put out of business in favour of
cruel Ritual demands from the more extreme Muslims.

Do you fully understand the rules of Islam and Halal.
It goes much much further than just the meat. It goes to the very heart of thousands of industries - Such as Cooking oils perfumes all products used in cooking and cleaning.
And last but not least what about lowering the standars of our Animal Welfare?>
Doesnt it matter that these animals die in fear and absolute cruelty?
Have you seen in person the difference between Ritual halal Slaughters and our Australia method of knocking them first with a stun gun or bolt.
I have and I know which is the best.
The ONLY reason this lot WONT except pre stunning is because it was introduced by the west.
The other Muslim people readily except it and have for many years.

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Paul fyi

http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&cr=countryAU&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=+abc+ritual+slaughter+halal+kosher+australia+&spell=1

Make no mistake. AFIC President told me in person at a meeting with QLD State Government they wanted AQIS to hand over the acreditation for Halal Slaughter in Australia.
To quote Ikabel
- After all Wendy what would AFIC know about Halal accreditations they are not Muslims.
Thats right Ikabel
We are not Muslims and this is NOT an Islamic Country;.
I do understand the fact you feel between a rock and a hard place.
You feel Australians are against islamic Slaughter. You also know there is nosuch thing as an Australian Muslim because you ALL must follow Allah.
Its really not the Muslim peoples fault.
Its the Australian Government that brought your people here in the first place without laying down support for you and clear guidelines.

You also think Aussies are having a go at Muslims just for the sake of it.
No- Thats not it- We WONT allow cruel ritual slaughter without pre stunning in the name of anybody.
Bottom Line. This is Australia not Islam
Australians say NO to ritual slaughters. How dare you go against the RSPCA which is our Animal Welfare authority.
No pre stuuning- the Answer is NO!

If you care Paul m too look at my posts you will find I am a supporter of non radical unionism.
In threads such as unions a difference exists I have tried to get outsiders to understand that is true.
While a great pro workers site exists I left it rather than forever war with a few from the extreme left, it gets no one any place.
It is my honestly and firmly held view extremism is harming some unions, and in truth this view gets me in trouble.
The very radical throw more mud at me than the worst bosses, but a quick review will find my delegates and it is true, are refugees from radical unions.
We have our wins by negotiations, not threats.
Consider this, how many Aussies truly vote extreme left, leave out the childlike and false view Labor is extreme left it is clearly just a lie.
Then if we agree it is far less than 10% how can the true radical extremists look for more members?
You can not plant spuds and expect to harvest pumpkins.
unions a difference has always existed and I am proud of mines past and its present and looking future to its even better future.

Only those who are indocrinated would see the light, this is due to being so far up his backside.

One would also have to question the ethics of the labor party due to the number of people going to court as pedophiles.

Thats right a labor party president who had resigned.

But this has to question the relationship between labor and the church. This makes one wonder how rife this problem is within the labor party as they like keeping their little secrets.

Keep your children safe.

Stuart Ulrich
Independent Candidate for Charlton
swulrich@bigpond.net.au

Staurt

Now hang on a minute. I take it that was aimed at Belly.
Belly just posts on here trying to tell us what he sees and what he has experienced.

I dont think he deserves that.

If it was not aimed at Belly I apoligise but perhaps you should make that clear.

I hate the Howard Government but I am not comfortable with Julia and Swan. Kevin Rudd has made a real effort to change his approach and I totally respect that.

We local QLD people however know only too well about his lack of support for our water project up here ten years ago.

Now look at the mess! and he wants to run the country. No thanks.

He has no experience and has not even run a council.

As I have said before if Peter Beattie were leading the ALP I would look at it seriously.

Rudd hasn`t got the ticka of Peter and is far too inexperienced. Rudd now backing John Howard in QLD- silly boy and let the game begin.


Rudd supports flooding our country with cheap imports from China and if hes elected just wait and see what happens from there.

Many bagged Pauline when she warned Australians about us being forced off shore . Well hate her or like her she was correct.

There are good and bad amoung all people and walks of life.
The Church is riddled with people who have offended against children and its not just labour members.

Muslims dont seem to find the Koran offensive or Mohamed getting married and sleeping with a nine year old girl either.

"I mean wouldnt you think all polys would object to this religion in our country bassed on that alone!"

I agree to higher you crawl up the ladder the wosre it gets but again thats not unique to ALP .

So Belly should get the respect he deserves too and I am sure Belly would not agree with child abuse Stuart regarless of which party the person was with or Church for that matter.

Belly
Now to get back to it- You open threads about Rudd and ALP then get upset and ignore questions regarding the parties policy or accuse people of not liking you like the victim to avoid answering questions.

I would suggest to you if you do not know all your parties policys you get somebody to help you who does because you are not helping your party as much as you might like to think you are.

Then again from what I can see that might be an unfair call on my part because ALL of the ALP people run from questions.

Nobody seems to know whats what.

I know you will be hurt by this belly but honestly I am not saying it to hurt you but to be fair.

What you dont know belly is i am speaking from experience. I talk to advisors from all parties pretty much every day. I am not only involved with Animal Welfare.

For example. Yesterday when I called Kevins office regarding A group of kids from China dropped at our international Schooland the payments were a matter of fraud they put me through to the shadow Minister for Foreign affairs.
A very rude girl insisted there was NO WAY i could speak with one of the advisors ever! and it must be in writing.
I had just had for the third day in a row got off the phone from Downers office after speaking with an advisor for at least twenty minutes about this matter.
Who do these ALP advisors think they are? and who pays their wages?
If they are not smart enough to welcome! calls from the public now just before an election then they are really dumb.
People say the Howard Government are arrogant. Umm. Well ALP are ten times worse before an election!
Thats the truth belly and I know because I do it every day all day for different reasons from working with aboriginal people , aged care tourism, and animal welfare.
These are the facts so dont shoot the messanger.

Pale as you may have forgotten the heading
"Is conservative australia stunned in rudds light"

If this was relating to belly then i would have put his name at the start.
The question is how many secrets are the labor party hiding.

Only those who are indocrinated would see the light, this is due to being so far up his backside.

One would also have to question the ethics of the labor party due to the number of people going to court as pedophiles.

Thats right a labor party president who had resigned.

But this has to question the relationship between labor and the church. This makes one wonder how rife this problem is within the labor party as they like keeping their little secrets.

Keep your children safe.

Stuart Ulrich
Independent Candidate for Charlton
swulrich@bigpond.net.au

Tapp
Fair enough- point taken.
Anyway do not expect a reply from Belly because he opens threads then runs from them if anybody asks questions.
Typical ALP person.
Wants to dicate but NO way debate.
I do not think belly has much political knowledge other than his interest in his own job to be honest.
See you on line
How far away from lodging a party are you?

No the point is not taken

Will you let anyone from the labor party in your home, maybe even look after your children.

The Swansea member ahad told the newcastle member and did the newcastle member do anything NO. Why because the swansea member said he would go to the police, Yeah right.

Now even though this member resigned from president of the local branch this brings about how it seems that the people are all for pedophiles and how the labor party hides them.

These people are supposed to represent us but instead attacking our children.

If this is not a vial and disgraceful act then those supporting labor would thus have to be also supporting their actions.
How many more off these child attackers are being hidden within the labor party.

I For One Am Not.

This is a disgrace.

Stuart Ulrich

Tapp
Why has hasnt there been an enquiry.?
Sounds bad

This is Bad

Do we want pedophiles and sexual abusers represententing us.

Do you think the newspapers care about our safety and are really willing to inform us about the level of coruption within these party structures, especially when they have motive not to inform the public.

Lets look at why there is no enquiry, oh almost forgot its the labor party in state governments.

When the media start acting like media and print what is there to print then we will really be informed.

And people like Belly just too ashamed and the rest of the labor faithful are still hiding their secrets.

Stuart Ulrich
Independent Candidate for Charlton

Tap
Well I am surprised the libs and their supporting media crews are not all over it.
Then again lets face it we cant say its unique to just ALP.

Possibly they have a high amount of other cultures that seem to tolerate this type of thing.

I feel sure Belly is a country chap with in his own way a deep sense of justice and loyalty void from knowing the ins and outs and the other issues involved.

Just from exchanging posts with him I am certain he would not support this man.

If Rudd were smart- If Again- He himself would have made much of this and much of getting this guy out of the ALP

Thats what I mean Rudd simply lacks the ability to turn a disaster into a positive story for his strong christian leadership.
Then again with the churches track record he may have decided to stay silent.
Thank you for this information and it is to be hoped all people are more aware of our leaders dark secrets because of it.

Tapp

all i can say is that I'm glad you are willing to make your views public, so we can get to know the real you. You are a truly disgusting creature.

it is clear if you even had half a brain you would be dangerous.

I know that in our system anyone can stand for parliament but in your case they should make an exception.

Paleif

I originally thought you were an enlightened type who also cared alot about animals. Seems i was totally wrong. stick with your strong suit because everywhere else you are a joke

Paul
What you fail to see is we are fair to everybody.
Your clearly a ALP man and that is OK too.
I was the first- in fact the only one to stick up for belly when I thought Tapp was attacting him personally despite the fact that we do not always agree.
Your comments a few threads up which I pretty much ignored were silly.
Why on earth would you come to the conclushion I have no regard for peoples saftey simply because I support humane treatment of Animals.
The fact is Paul the two go hand in hand and you cant have one without the other.
I was the first person to say So What If Kevin Rudd went to a strip club in the USA four years ago.
I really DO think thats his bussiness and between nobody than himself and his wife.

Perhaps as a Labour Man you could answer a few of the questions that Belly ignores.
Such as What do you Like About Julia and how do you think Swan will handle Australias interests.
Do you think he is the right man for the ALP position and why?
A little more info on policies might actually help your party.
What about the meat unions being told to back off the live exports?
Anything to say about that?"

Belly what makes you think it will be any better under Rudd.
Tony Blair was a great admirer of Margaret Thatcher and retained all that she legislated. The Unions did not have their funds returned to them after they were sequstrated and he planted all the so called socialists into the House of Lords. Kevin Rudd will continue with John Howard policies because he knows they are good for the Country. Paul Keating copied a lot of what Margaret Thatcher did by selling Commonwealth Bank hence bank charges hikes from all banks after that. Giving away Qantas as a gift. Youwill be laughing the other side of your face when you finally see that it will be business as usual that is why Liberals will vote Labor and he will suck up the middle ground decimating the Democrats our cousins.