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The Forum > General Discussion > BUDJ BIM an Indigenous eel trap site added to World Heritage List!

BUDJ BIM an Indigenous eel trap site added to World Heritage List!

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Belly,

You asked,
"I have a question for those not impressed with the evidence
How much remains of whitemans settlements from six thousand years ago"

Sorry, I missed that post'

Here's an answer, lots.

The Burren, County Clare, Ireland.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/6000-year-old-settlement-poses-tsunami-mystery-193230.html

Ukraine.
http://www.livescience.com/48352-prehistoric-ukraine-temple-discovered.html

Jordan.
http://paperity.org/p/61132640/twenty-thousand-year-old-huts-at-a-hunter-gatherer-settlement-in-eastern-jordan

Israel.
http://www.theepochtimes.com/remains-of-9000-year-old-neolithic-settlement-unearthed-outside-jerusalem_3006370.html

That should answer your question; there are more examples.
Posted by Is Mise, Sunday, 21 July 2019 6:15:31 PM
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Once again I would like to Thank everyone for
their contributions to this discussion. For me
it has now well and truly run its course.

Thank You one and all and I look forward to
our next discussion. May it be equally robust
and interesting.
Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 21 July 2019 7:25:20 PM
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Paul wrote: “but they are certainly more than a "couple of rocks" “

I was talking about the so-called stone houses at Budj Bim and elsewhere, not the actual fish traps. They, as far as they go, were quite remarkable in the Australian context, being, if not unique, at least nearly so. Of course, in a world context, they are very ho-hum, with many such enterprises occurring throughout the planet, and many being far more complex than Budj Bim.
But getting all excited over some low walls which are claimed to be house foundations but were more likely windbreaks while, elsewhere, people were, and had been for millennia, constructing entire cities is simply wishful thinking.

“ what motivates you to denigrate Aboriginal people “

It’s not the aboriginals I denigrate but those who offer and/or fall for a false history. I’m not anti-aboriginal, just pro-truth. And lest you think it is harmless to buy the false history, consider the effects on current aboriginals.
When I mentioned that slavery existed in this, like all other primitive societies, you took offence and demanded evidence. I can’t help but notice that, as usual, when a small fraction of the evidence is presented, you decided to avert your eyes. But aboriginal society was possibly the most misogynistic ever. Evidence is that women were treated abysmally. Something like 50% of all examined female skeletons in archaeology show head and bone fractures. But because of this desire to see utopia in pre-Cook society, this information is suppressed.
Yet today, aboriginal women suffer domestic violence at rates that far outstrip other groups. But because we hide the true nature of their society, we head down the wrong path in trying to fix this problem, when we even bother to try. When we portrait domestic violence, we always see white men doing it when a more accurate picture would be aboriginal men doing what their culture has taught them to do for millennia.

/cont
Posted by mhaze, Monday, 22 July 2019 1:05:38 PM
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/cont

Foxy wrote…” There are not many things on the planet that still exist today that are older than that “
As I said previously, you’d have to be utterly ignorant of the myriad examples of what was happening in the rest of the planet to think that’s Foxy’s view holds water.

Is Mise wrote:
“Why haven't we found civilizations older than 7 - 8 thousand years when homo sapiens evolved around 200 000 years ago?”

Because for most of those 200,000 years, an Ice Age prevailed. It was only after the end of the Younger Dryas that temperatures rose and allowed civilisations to evolve. Yet another example of higher temperatures being beneficial to humankind.

Foxy wrote: “Aboriginal people right across the continent
were using domesticated plants, sowing, harvesting,
irrigating and storing .”

Struth, compared to that type of thinking, ‘The Lion King’ is a documentary.
Posted by mhaze, Monday, 22 July 2019 1:05:41 PM
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mhaze,

" Restoring Aboriginal pride in the past and allowing
that past to inform the future will remove the yoke
of despair from Aboriginal people. Despair is
reinforced every day an Aboriginal person has to argue
for his pride in the past or for his determination
to honour the achievements of the ancestors. Ensuring
that Aboriginal life and history are not wiped from the
map because they interrupt the view from Parliament House
will have a convulsive effect on the country's prospects.

Encouraging full participation of Aboriginal people is not
a simple task of handing them fluorescent vests so they
can work in a billionaire's mine, but requires a conversation
with Aboriginal people about the future of the country.
The opportunity to be involved in the future of the country
will release Aboriginal people from some of the shackles
of colonialism.

The country will still be colonised. The dispossessed will be
included, not just in the vote or constitution but in the
general Australian psyche. We will approach the idea of
a united nation not by exclusion but by an inclusion that
rarely gets mentioned: Aboriginal participation.

More importantly, however, it will have intellectual and
moral benefits, freeing us from the mental gynmastics we
currently perform to rationalise colonialism and dispossession."

(Bruce Pascoe - "Dark Emu.")
Posted by Foxy, Monday, 22 July 2019 1:48:46 PM
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cont'd ...

mhaze,

BTW:

I strongly recommend seeing "The Lion King."
This remake is very entertaining.
Posted by Foxy, Monday, 22 July 2019 1:51:56 PM
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