cont'd ...

Joe,

My apologies for the typo in the first link.
Here it is again:

http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/books/the-first-farmers-20110930-1l1gv.html

Dear Paul,

Call me a romantic, but I do love the Disney films.
"The Lion King," we enjoyed very much,
however some of the scenes would have been a
bit scary for younger kids. I wouldn't take my
five year old to see it.

Now back to the topic.

This discussion was meant to be joyful. I was
so excited when I first learned about Budj Bim being
added to the World Heritage List. I thought it was
great and would provide even greater opportunities
for tourism for the Aboriginal people of that area.
I thought we'd all be proud of this achievement and
all the work over the years that went into getting
this recognition.

Imagine my surprise at the negativity this fostered.
Puzzling to understand. Aren't we all proud of our
ancestry? Why would anyone deny the same pride to
our First Nations people? They are part of this
nation. Shouldn't we all want peace and harmony in our
shared future?

Foxy,

You said
"There's not many things on the
planet that still exist today that are older
than that

(6,600 years)

"Why haven't we found civilizations older than 7 - 8 thousand years when homo sapiens evolved around 200 000 years ago? originally appeared on Quora: the place to gain and share knowledge, empowering people to learn from others and better understand the world.

Answer by Adam Wu, Evolutionary neurosurgeon, on Quora:

To start a civilization you need to have a large food surplus, which frees up the majority of your people to specialize in doing things other than food production. To get this kind of food surplus by hunting and gathering you would need a kind of edenic environment that does not exist on planet earth. The only other know way of obtaining such food surpluses is by farming. But even with early farming you can only produce the needed levels of food surplus in a very narrow range of favorable environmental conditions.

You also need a certain minimum population density, or you simply do not have enough people on the ground to run a civilization."

continued at:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2017/02/14/why-havent-we-found-civilizations-older-than-7000-8000-years/#432e199d4170

Hi Foxy,

From memory (it's five years ago), Professor Foster's comment was in response to my findings - or at least my interpretations - of what 15,000 pages of documentation amounted to: I think he commented that "Yes, he's right, but it depends how you spin it." Is that what he was on about ?

I think he was commenting on much more than just the Protector's letters, 1837-1912, and probably included my interpretation of thousands of pages of other documents - for example, the thousand pages of the W.A. Moseley Commission 1935 (indexed) and the Roth royal commission in 1905, and the three royal commission transcripts of NSW and Qld around the 1860s, and the royal commission transcript from Victoria, 1882, and the reports on missions in NSW, concerning Cummeragunga and Warangesda and a few other documents, such as Blakeley's 1929 Report on conditions in the NT. And Meston's reports on northern Queensland conditions in around 1896. And a few other minor documents.

But what do I know, I only typed up a few Protector's letters. And a few missionaries' accounts. And other documents concerning Indigenous performance in higher education. Bugger-all really. And land tenure documents. Yeah, but nothing all that significant. You've probably done far, far more in relation to Indigenous documentation in your tireless study of Indigenous affairs.

And the work that my wife and I did in relation to distribution of the Aboriginal Flag around the country back in the early seventies, when you were so fully involved in promoting Indigenous liberation, and our working in communities while you were so totally immersed in the Struggle. Good on you, Foxy, you deserve a chestful of medals.

I'm so admiring of you that my offer to Paul is now extended to you, you certainly deserve it.

Cheers,

Joe
www.firstsources.info

Foxy, you're mixing too may events and expectations, in an attempt to make the blacks out to be something they were clearly not.
If, as you suggest they need to be regarded with such high praise, there is a great number of skeptics out there who would disagree.
The BUDJ BIM thing smack too much of overreach.
World Heritage Listing is like the heart foundation sticker, you pay an amount of money and some people check some documents prepared by some other people who took information from some other people, not one of them really having any 'first hand' knowledge of what they speak.
The original explorers who wrote the earliest of records on a topic, did so at arms length, because I doubt they understood or interpreted what they witnessed, accurately.
There's more doubt and questions on this matter than merely accepting it on blind faith.
We keep asking, where is ANY evidence that the blacks had anything to do with these wonders we are expected to blindly accept?
Why are the blacks not at least at the level of society as written or recorded in the scripts and historical documents.
No one will accept this fantasy just because some 'explorers' and researchers believed something that we have no proof of today.
The evidence or the lack of, is clearly an indictment of the veracity of this so called "achievement".
Because without proof or evidence of a REAL and TANGIBLE nature, that we can see AND touch, I'm afraid any pragmatic, objective person MUST NOT accept this research as anything other than the wishful thinking of a desperate and overactive imagination of a hopeful mind, looking for something to adopt as the source of a long held view or personal opinion.
What IS puzzling to understand is why we have to find reasons to make the blacks feel proud.
Proud of what?
In all the history and stories about the blacks, I have found NOTHING that they should be proud of nor anything that they should feel dispossessed of.
History/records would exist if the blacks had done anything praiseworthy.

Loudmouth, you LAD you.
I did not know you are so well researched.
I feel I am in the presence of Royalty.
No, I mean it, whenever I come across someone who knows of what they speak, I shut up and listen.
WOW, I am in awe, Sorry I shall not go on, but you can tell how desperate I am to hear the truth for a change, as it is so rare here.
I am so sick and tired of reading all this BS from the back stalls, with the three "deplorables", KNOW NOTHING, HEAR NOTHING and SEE NOTHING.
I keep identifying those who actually know what they're talking about, and not 'think', they know what they're talking about.
Anyway keep up the good fight, I will be reading you with added focus and enthusiasm from now on.