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BUDJ BIM an Indigenous eel trap site added to World Heritage List!
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Posted by mhaze, Thursday, 11 July 2019 9:25:23 AM
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But the fact is most tribes didn't do aquaculture. Most tribes didn't have even ramshackled huts. Most groups did rely entirely on what they found today and were one drought away from disaster. Most tribes didn't know how to spread seed to provide food for their next passage through a region. Most groups didn't sow, didn't bake. Some even didn't know how to make and use fire. But the Foxy's of the world don't want to know that and most certainly don't want it to be true. So they adhere to people like Pascoe, long on assertion, short on data. We've been here before, and will get here again. Just on Pascoe, I came across this quote from an interview in the Australian...“Aboriginal people, who invented government 120,000 years ago, decided that the worst thing they could do in a society was fight for land. [They] decided everybody would have a house, everybody would have enough to eat, everybody would take part in the culture.” Struth. Posted by mhaze, Thursday, 11 July 2019 9:26:00 AM
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Narelle47,
Good to see input giving balance to a conversation. We are continually faced with comments and opinions by some, in particular another female, who's attitude is one of complete dominance and knowledge of the topic in question. Her refusal to even consider that her submissions are merely HER opinions, make her even more annoying by her unwillingness to consider anything which counters her opinion. It is refreshing to read a fresh presentation debunking hers as we are continually having to accept her righteous attitude, especially when we are maligned for pointing out other factors or facts either questioning or debunking her submission. I particularly dislike her continual attempt at idolising certain people or races. So any time someone new comes along with a challenging view, it is most welcome, as it tells those of similar ilk that they are not right they WILL be challenged and that they will no longer be taken seriously for continually trying to blindly and arrogantly push their agenda, which quickly becomes insignificant. Posted by ALTRAV, Thursday, 11 July 2019 10:16:14 AM
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Thank You so much for the recent comments
from Joe (Loudmouth), Narelle, mhaze, and last but not least - ALTRAV. These comments have provided me with a further insight into the subject of my PhD dissertation. They are all greatly appreciated because they add further authenticity to my research on the topic studied, and shall be added to my work which I am hoping to have published. Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 11 July 2019 10:59:56 AM
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mhaze,
Here's a link that explains a few things for you: http://www.theguardian.com/books/2019/may/24/dark-emus-infinite-potential-our-kids-have-grown-up-in-a-fog-about-the-history-of-the-land Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 11 July 2019 11:56:12 AM
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mhaze,
well spoken, could not have put it better myself. Just wrote a piece in response to Narelle47's which also challenges the notion of idolising, or attempting to idolise, when it is completely unjustified or unfounded to do so. Some, we all know who, would have us believe that the blacks were the first people to set foot on this land, and as such, own it. I'm not so gullible or easily conned. I still refute the notion that they have been here for as long as some 'experts' will have us believe. Anyway good to get a realistic and pragmatic view on things. Keep it up. Posted by ALTRAV, Thursday, 11 July 2019 11:56:38 AM
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now re-thinking Australia's perceptions of Indigenous
land management."
Who? Who are these people who were so ill-advised of their area of expertise that they needed the heritage listing to bring Budj Bim to their notice?
Now I will agree, as I said earlier, that there is a concerted effort to raise the status of the pre-1788 aboriginal society from just another example of stone age lethargy to something to be admired. As with the attempts in the 1980s to turn try to create a myth of systematic genocide, academics on the make will leap onboard, the facts be damned. And it will peter out as others realise the facts don't marry with the claims.
Budj Bim has been known about for decades to my knowledge and probably much longer to the cognoscenti. As has the knowledge that south eastern Aboriginals had housing of a sort, knew how to fish with nets, and spread seed to ensure there was a supply of food the next time they passed by on their wanderings. Blainey even talked of some south-eastern groups having a higher standard of living than some British workers in 1788.
But the problem is that this knowledge, long known, is now being distorted. "Oh one group did aquaculture therefore aboriginals knew about and were advanced" they imply. "Oh one group built huts therefore aboriginals weren't nomadic."
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